The Fates of the Cowboys

Dr. Eric A. Rose & Dr. Gerald Imber on the Future of Heart Medicine

Eric A. Rose, MD is a world leader in cardiac surgery and cardiovascular research who performed the first successful pediatric heart transplant. Gerald Imber, MD is a plastic surgeon and author whose medical history books include Genius on the Edge: The Bizarre Double Life of Dr. William Halsted [https://amzn.to/4ozyBnJ] and Cardiac Cowboys: The Heroic Invention of Heart Surgery [https://amzn.to/4ozyBnJ]. They join host Jamie Napoli to discuss the challenges facing medical innovators today, and their hopes for the future of heart medicine. Thoughts or suggestions? You can reach us at c [goog_1387031787]ardiaccowboys@13thlakemedia.com [ardiaccowboys@13thlakemedia.com]. Executive Producers: Cristina Everett for iHeartPodcasts; Dub Cornett and Jason Ross for OSO Studios; Gerald Imber; Eric A. Rose, M.D.; John Mankiewicz; Joshua Paul Johnson; and Jamie Napoli Supervising Producer: James A. Smith Editing and Sound Design by: Joshua Paul Johnson Composer: David Mansfield  Cover Artwork by: Alexander Smith Production Companies: iHeartPodcasts, OSO Studios, and 13th Lake Media Production Legal Services: Jacqueline Eckhouse & Mel Pudig, Sloss Eckhouse Dasti Haynes LawCo; and Lincoln Bandlow, Lincoln Bandlow Law Copyright 2025, TTB, LLC. All rights reserved. See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

The Fates of the Cowboys

Walt Lillehei’s years of living and operating on the edge finally catch up with him. In Houston, rival surgeons attempt to resolve four decades of bad blood.   For more information on the first cardiac surgeons, check out Dr. Gerald Imber's book "CARDIAC COWBOYS: The Heroic Invention of Heart Surgery [https://amzn.to/46L0nG6]," published by Post Hill Press in 2024.   Presented by: Chris Pine Written and Narrated by: Jamie Napoli   Executive Producers: Cristina Everett for iHeartPodcasts; Dub Cornett and Jason Ross for OSO Studios; Gerald Imber; Eric A. Rose, M.D.; John Mankiewicz; Joshua Paul Johnson; and Jamie Napoli Supervising Producer: James A. Smith Editing and Sound Design by: Joshua Paul Johnson Composer: David Mansfield Cover Artwork by: Alexander Smith Production Companies: iHeartPodcasts, OSO Studios, and 13th Lake Media Production Legal Services: Jacqueline Eckhouse & Mel Pudig, Sloss Eckhouse Dasti Haynes LawCo; and Lincoln Bandlow, Lincoln Bandlow Law  Archival Materials Courtesy of: The University of Minnesota Archives, University of Minnesota - Twin Cities; Special Collections, University of Rhode Island Library; and G. Wayne Miller, author of  "King of Hearts: The True Story of the Maverick Who Pioneered Open Heart Surgery"     Additional Archival Materials Courtesy of: "The Dick Cavett Show" (ABC 1970); C-SPAN; and Vanderbilt University Additional Music & Stock Media Provided by: Music Bed; Premium Beat; Artlist; Envato Market; ccMixter (TuneTrack); and Incompetech This podcast was recorded under a SAG-AFTRA collective bargaining agreement. Copyright 2025, TTB, LLC. All rights reserved.     See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

A Man-Made Heart

An ingenious medical device promises to eliminate the need for heart donors entirely. But when accusations of a stolen heart emerge, the simmering tension between Michael DeBakey and Denton Cooley boils over, playing out in courtrooms and headlines across the country.   For more information on the first cardiac surgeons, check out Dr. Gerald Imber's book "CARDIAC COWBOYS: The Heroic Invention of Heart Surgery [https://amzn.to/46L0nG6]," published by Post Hill Press in 2024.   Presented by: Chris Pine Written and Narrated by: Jamie Napoli   Executive Producers: Cristina Everett for iHeartPodcasts; Dub Cornett and Jason Ross for OSO Studios; Gerald Imber; Eric A. Rose, M.D.; John Mankiewicz; Joshua Paul Johnson; and Jamie Napoli Supervising Producer: James A. Smith Editing and Sound Design by: Joshua Paul Johnson Composer: David Mansfield Cover Artwork by: Alexander Smith Production Companies: iHeartPodcasts, OSO Studios, and 13th Lake Media Production Legal Services: Jacqueline Eckhouse & Mel Pudig, Sloss Eckhouse Dasti Haynes LawCo; and Lincoln Bandlow, Lincoln Bandlow Law  Additional Archival Materials Courtesy of: "The Twentieth Century" (CBS 1966); "Nova" (WGBH Boston & PBS 1988 & 1999); Vanderbilt University; American Academy of Achievement; "DeBakey" (Dr. Tony Herring and the Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Children 2016); Society for Vascular Surgery; "Meet the Press" (NBC 1966); Associated Press; "Michael E. DeBakey: Profiles in Science" (National Library of Medicine 2015); BBC; "The Heartmakers" (National Educational Television & Radio Center 1969); and the McGovern Historical Center of the Texas Medical Center Library     Additional Music & Stock Media Provided by: EdRecords / Pond5; EpicRecord / Pond5; eitanepsteinmusic / Pond5; Music Bed; Premium Beat; Storyblocks; Artlist; Envato Market; and Podcast Music This podcast was recorded under a SAG-AFTRA collective bargaining agreement. Copyright 2025, TTB, LLC. All rights reserved.     See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

The Transplant Race

Surgeons across the country race to transplant the human heart. The stakes are unimaginably high, rivalries turn vicious, and the first surgeon to cross the finish line shocks the world.   For more information on the first cardiac surgeons, check out Dr. Gerald Imber's book "CARDIAC COWBOYS: The Heroic Invention of Heart Surgery [https://amzn.to/46L0nG6]," published by Post Hill Press in 2024.   Presented by: Chris Pine Written and Narrated by: Jamie Napoli   Executive Producers: Cristina Everett for iHeartPodcasts; Dub Cornett and Jason Ross for OSO Studios; Gerald Imber; Eric A. Rose, M.D.; John Mankiewicz; Joshua Paul Johnson; and Jamie Napoli Supervising Producer: James A. Smith Editing and Sound Design by: Joshua Paul Johnson Composer: David Mansfield Cover Artwork by: Alexander Smith Production Companies: iHeartPodcasts, OSO Studios, and 13th Lake Media Production Legal Services: Jacqueline Eckhouse & Mel Pudig, Sloss Eckhouse Dasti Haynes LawCo; and Lincoln Bandlow, Lincoln Bandlow Law  Additional Archival Materials Courtesy of: "The Dick Cavett Show" (ABC 1970); "Nova" (WGBH Boston & PBS 1988 & 1999); "The Vision of Perseus: Norman Shumway" (Stanford University Libraries 1993); Vanderbilt University; American Academy of Achievement; US National Archives; John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum, Boston; SABC News; BBC Archive; "A Tribute to Professor Barnard" (Netcare 2017); "Barnard: Straight from the Heart" (Electric Sky and Alexander Street 2013); BBC; and the McGovern Historical Center of the Texas Medical Center Library Additional Music & Stock Media Provided by: "Dokter Bernard" by Bonnie St. Claire, adapted from "Sister Mary" by Joe Dolan, written by Peter Koelewijn, Peter Yellowstone and Roberto Danova, label: Phillips; Publishers: Red Bus Music, Dayglow-Tripper, 1976; eitanepsteinmusic / Pond5; Music Bed; Premium Beat; Artlist; APM; and Envato Market This podcast was recorded under a SAG-AFTRA collective bargaining agreement. Copyright 2025, TTB, LLC. All rights reserved.     See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

The Can Opener

A devastating turn of events forces Walt Lillehei to re-think his approach to open heart surgery. In Houston, Denton Cooley’s swift rise plunges him into a battle of egos with his boss and mentor, Michael DeBakey.   For more information on the first cardiac surgeons, check out Dr. Gerald Imber's book "CARDIAC COWBOYS: The Heroic Invention of Heart Surgery [https://amzn.to/46L0nG6]," published by Post Hill Press in 2024.   Presented by: Chris Pine Written and Narrated by: Jamie Napoli   Executive Producers: Cristina Everett for iHeartPodcasts; Dub Cornett and Jason Ross for OSO Studios; Gerald Imber; Eric A. Rose, M.D.; John Mankiewicz; Joshua Paul Johnson; and Jamie Napoli Supervising Producer: James A. Smith Editing and Sound Design by: Joshua Paul Johnson Composer: David Mansfield Cover Artwork by: Alexander Smith Production Companies: iHeartPodcasts, OSO Studios, and 13th Lake Media Production Legal Services: Jacqueline Eckhouse & Mel Pudig, Sloss Eckhouse Dasti Haynes LawCo; and Lincoln Bandlow, Lincoln Bandlow Law  Archival Materials Courtesy of: The University of Minnesota Archives, University of Minnesota - Twin Cities; Special Collections, University of Rhode Island Library; and G. Wayne Miller, author of  "King of Hearts: The True Story of the Maverick Who Pioneered Open Heart Surgery"     Additional Archival Materials Courtesy of: "Nova" (WGBH Boston & PBS 1988 & 1999); Minnesota Historical Society; Vanderbilt University; and Medtronic Additional Music & Stock Media Provided by: Music Bed; Premium Beat; Storyblocks; Artlist; APM; Envato Market; Incompetech; and Podcast Music This podcast was recorded under a SAG-AFTRA collective bargaining agreement. Copyright 2025, TTB, LLC. All rights reserved.     See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.