Episode 21: Creativity, Wake Up! with Celia Falkenberg & Nina Pearse

Episode 22: Lawyers will live after all? with Lev Loukhton

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future! In this episode, Scott and Elizabeth sit down with venture investor and former M&A partner Lev Loukhton to discuss the “AI Trojan Horse” debate making waves in the legal world. Lev offers a calm but direct response to the fear that AI will hollow out the profession put forward by Quentin Solt. Instead of seeing lawyers as victims of technology, he argues that the profession still has choices, and that curiosity, speed, and better client service will matter more than ever. From solo practitioners to global firms, this conversation looks at what lawyers can do right now to stay valuable, relevant, and human in an AI-driven profession. 🔑 Key Themes * Why AI should be seen as a tool, not a replacement for lawyers * The difference between legal knowledge and legal judgment * How smaller firms may move faster than Big Law * Why client service and commercial thinking matter more than billable hours * The problem with treating efficiency like a flaw in legal practice * How lawyers can adapt without losing the human side of the profession 💬 Memorable Quotes “Artificial intelligence is the first layer of technology that is capable of making lawyers more efficient and capable of helping them practice law in the way that law actually is practiced. This technology is going to get us into a different place and the practice of law will be transformed by it.” “law is law is not math. And it's not coding. And there are multiple ways of looking at the same set of facts and interpreting them.” “We are the Harry Houdinis of this world. We are bound in chains, we're put into barrels, we're thrown into a lake and we escape. That's what we are trained to do.” “I am a proponent of agency… None of this is inevitable. We are not entering the world where lawyers are not going to be necessary.” “For the first time in history, lawyers will actually have access not just to their own precedent library in their heads.” 📌 Important Insights & Actionable Takeaways * AI will change legal work, but lawyers still play a vital role in judgement, client relationships, and commercial thinking. * Smaller firms and solo lawyers may have an advantage because they can move quickly without layers of approval or old systems slowing them down. * Lawyers should spend time testing AI tools in real workflows instead of only reading articles or attending talks about AI. * The profession has focused too heavily on time and effort instead of outcomes and client experience. * Repetitive legal tasks are likely to shrink, which means younger lawyers may need different ways to build judgement and confidence. * AI works best when lawyers use it to support thinking, not replace responsibility. Human oversight still matters. As Lev says, it’s not all doom and gloom. AI is transforming law and offering opportunities that never existed before. That’s something to get excited about.

Episode 21: Creativity, Wake Up! with Celia Falkenberg & Nina Pearse

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future! In this episode, Scott and Elizabeth sit down with Celia Falkenberg [https://www.linkedin.com/in/celia-falkenberg-0b928519/] and Nina Pearse [https://www.linkedin.com/in/nina-pearse-bb67671/], co-founders of Creativity Wake Up [https://www.creativitywakeup.com/], to talk about why creative thinking matters more than ever in law. Drawing on backgrounds in architecture, business, consulting and leadership training, Celia and Nina unpack the myths surrounding creativity, why so many professionals stop trusting their own ideas, and how workplaces can create room for curiosity, collaboration and better thinking. The conversation moves from schooling and perfectionism to AI, burnout and the pressure many lawyers feel to always be “the expert in the room”. Along the way, the group discusses why creativity is not limited to artistry, why experimentation matters, and how legal careers could look very different if wellbeing, teamwork and imagination were treated as serious business priorities. Key Themes * Why creativity is a thinking skill, not an artistic talent * How schooling and workplace culture reduce curiosity over time * The connection between collaboration and better problem-solving * Why perfectionism and fear hold professionals back * AI as a thinking partner rather than a replacement for human judgement * Rethinking legal career paths, incentives and wellbeing Memorable Quotes “Creativity is the use of imagination to develop something, to produce something that is both novel and useful.” — Nina Pearse “We are all born creative.” — Celia Falkenberg “You get to hold on to the limitations that you set for yourself.” — Nina Pearse “A single lawyer cannot have all the answers.” — Celia Falkenberg “If what you are doing is not working, don’t do it harder.” — Nina Pearse Insights & Takeaways * Creative thinking can be strengthened over time. It is not reserved for a small group of naturally “creative” people. * Many lawyers struggle with collaboration because legal workplaces often reward individual performance ahead of shared problem-solving. * Curiosity, confidence and experimentation all play a part in stronger thinking and better leadership. * AI can support brainstorming and idea generation, but professionals still need strong judgement and independent thinking. * Organisations that expect perfection from their people often make it harder for teams to test ideas or suggest change. * Career success should include health, relationships and fulfilment — not only titles, hours billed or financial targets. * Small changes in communication, teamwork and workplace design can have a major effect on performance and morale.   Creative thinking is often hailed as a hallmark of the legal profession, but does how we work and we are incentivised drive creativity out of us? Listen in to find out.   For the Leverage your Creative Intelligence for Law: June 2026 Cohort live online session dates: 2,9 & 23 June 2025 | 5-7 PM (London), 6-8 PM (CET) | 12 PM - 2 PM (New York) Info and to register- https://www.creativitywakeup.com/creative-intelligence-for-law [https://www.creativitywakeup.com/creative-intelligence-for-law]

Episode 20: Prompt Like a Pro with Laura Jeffords Greenberg

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future! In this episode, Scott Simmons and Elizabeth de Stadler sit down with AI educator and general counsel Laura Jeffords-Greenberg for a candid conversation about prompting, legal work, and what AI is actually changing inside the profession. Laura shares how she went from experimenting with ChatGPT during an interim GC role to building AI-first legal systems in public, training thousands of lawyers, and questioning long-held assumptions about legal careers. From hallucinations and Slack bots to legal design and technostress, this episode is packed with practical insight for lawyers trying to work smarter without losing their humanity. 🔑 Key Themes * Why the quality of your prompt shapes the quality of the output * The difference between using AI lazily and using it thoughtfully * How legal teams can build user-friendly systems people will actually use * Why lawyers need process thinking alongside legal expertise * The emotional impact of rapid technological change inside organisations * Rethinking legal career paths, prestige, and what makes a “good” lawyer 💬 Memorable Quotes “Large language models work in language. I’m a lawyer. This has got to help us in some way.” “I’m definitely a better lawyer using AI.” “Once a question is asked, then how do we automate that and put it into the knowledge base so that AI can use it to answer it?” “You’re always going to have novel questions that are going to need a human.” “You can’t just blame the technology. You have a responsibility.” “You’re going to have to bring more to the table than just your legal experience.” 📌 Important Insights & Actionable Takeaways * AI works best when lawyers treat it like a collaborator, not a vending machine. Better prompts come from clear thinking and clear goals. * Repetitive legal work can often be automated, leaving lawyers to focus on judgement, strategy, and new problems. * Organisations rolling out AI need to think about psychology as much as policy. Fear, uncertainty, and overwhelm all shape adoption. * Legal teams should build systems around where people already work. If the process feels awkward or inconvenient, people will ignore it. * Junior lawyers still need mentorship and feedback. AI can support learning, but it cannot replace professional judgement or human guidance. * Career success in law is no longer tied to one traditional path. Curiosity, adaptability, communication, and visibility matter more than prestige alone. * Lawyers who understand process design and user experience will have a major advantage as legal operations and AI become more connected. If you want to understand just what's possible with AI, Laura's journey will show you that you can do it too.

Episode 19: Deleted by LinkedIn! What Now? with Melanie Goodman

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future! In this episode, Scott and Elizabeth sit down with LinkedIn strategist and former lawyer Melanie Goodman to unpack how lawyers can actually use LinkedIn and Substack to build visibility, relationships, and real business opportunities. Melanie shares practical advice on profile optimisation, content strategy, and the long game of online credibility. She also tells the remarkable story of being permanently banned from LinkedIn (and how she fought to get her account back). This episode is a masterclass in digital reputation, strategic networking, and building a platform that works for you—not the other way around. Key Themes * LinkedIn as a Business Development Tool Why LinkedIn is still the most powerful professional network—and why most lawyers use it incorrectly. * Consistency Beats Viral Posts Building trust and opportunities on LinkedIn is about long-term visibility, not occasional posting. * Content That Serves Your Audience The biggest mistake professionals make is posting what they want instead of addressing client pain points. * Your Profile Is Your Foundation Before posting anything, lawyers must optimise their LinkedIn profiles so people actually understand what they do. * Owning Your Audience Beyond LinkedIn Why email lists protect your visibility when social media platforms fail. * Building Referral Networks Strategically Lawyers often focus on end clients—but referrals frequently come from adjacent professionals. Memorable Quotes “LinkedIn’s not just a job board… it’s an incredibly fast moving business development tool if you know how to use it.” “You have to be consistent… people have to get to know you, get to know your personality to want to work with you.” “You’re building relationships on LinkedIn the same way you build any other relationship — you’re just doing it online.” “The biggest mistake that I see people making is that they post what they want to post rather than thinking about the problems or the pain points of the people that they want to connect with.” “There’s absolutely no point in putting out content on a profile that doesn’t tell people what you do.” “Referrals are often underrated because people are so focused on getting clients from LinkedIn.” Important Insights & Actionable Takeaways * Treat LinkedIn like relationship-building, not broadcasting. Business rarely comes from a single post—it comes from repeated exposure, trust, and private conversations. * Optimise your profile before creating content. If someone clicks your profile and can’t quickly understand what you do or who you help, your content won’t convert into opportunities. * Think in terms of client problems, not personal announcements. Content that addresses real challenges your audience faces will naturally gain more traction and engagement. * Build a referral ecosystem—not just a client list. Connecting with professionals who serve your ideal clients often produces warmer, more consistent referrals. * Never rely on a single platform. Melanie’s LinkedIn ban highlighted the importance of owning your audience through email lists and being visible across multiple platforms. * Repurpose your knowledge across platforms. Content created for LinkedIn can be adapted into deeper articles, newsletters, or community engagement on platforms like Substack. This is the most practical advice you can hear to get started with LinkedIn and use it in a way that doesn't send you into vanity metrics spirals. It also highlights that you don't own your LinkedIn following and what you do to take back control.

Episode 18: When Lawyers Become Obsolete with Quentin Solt

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future! This episode comes with a warning: If you think AI won't completely change the practice of law, you may not want to listen. In this episode, Scott and Elizabeth are joined by Quentin Solt—former UK solicitor, investor, and long-time observer of AI’s evolution—to unpack a provocative idea: AI isn’t just changing law, it’s dismantling it. From “Trojan horse” technologies to the collapse of the billable hour and the rise of “living contracts,” Quentin challenges everything lawyers think they know about value, trust, and their future role. This is a bold, uncomfortable, and essential conversation about what happens when knowledge is no longer scarce—and what comes next. 🔑 Key Themes * AI as a Trojan Horse exposing inefficiencies in legal services * The collapse of knowledge as a premium legal product * Why clients want outcomes, not contracts or time * The end of the traditional law firm pyramid structure * Legal work shifting from IQ (knowledge) to EQ (judgement and relationships) * The rise of ‘living contracts’ and non-adversarial legal systems 💬 Memorable Quotes “The lawyer will become redundant when the client realises that AI is good enough.” “Knowledge is no longer scarce. Knowledge is being democratised.” “Today’s hallucination is tomorrow’s joke.” “The lawyer is paying for them [legal AI tools] so that they can plan their own extinction.” “Regulation now becomes a hurdle, not a lens.” “Unless you're really really loving what you're doing, explore whether or not you want to have another job.” 📌 Important Insights & Actionable Takeaways * Legal value is shifting from technical knowledge to human judgement, context, and emotional intelligence—skills that AI, for the time being, struggles to replicate. * AI adoption isn’t just about efficiency; it fundamentally changes the economic model of law firms, making traditional hierarchies unsustainable. * Lawyers must rethink their role: from document producers to strategic advisors focused on outcomes and relationships. * Resistance to change isn’t new—legal innovation has been possible for decades, but cultural inertia has held the profession back. * AI will first augment, then replace large portions of legal work—especially routine, process-driven tasks. * The future of law may move away from adversarial systems toward continuous, data-driven negotiation and resolution (“living contracts”). This is, without question, our most controversial episode yet. It's uncomfortable and we know many lawyers won't agree. But this episode is a must if you're open to thinking about an alternative future for the legal profession.