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Episode 4: DeFi - The Laboratory for the Future of Finance

1 h 7 min · 27 de abr de 2026
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In this episode of Money Moves, we delve into the complex world of decentralized finance (DeFi) and its intersection with traditional finance (TradFi). We explore recent events, including a $300 million hack, that highlight the vulnerabilities and risks within DeFi. Our discussion covers the tension between the instantaneous, permissionless nature of DeFi and the structured, regulated environment of TradFi. We examine how institutions like BlackRock are beginning to adopt blockchain technologies and the implications of this convergence. The episode also addresses the ethical and security challenges posed by DeFi's reliance on bridges and centralized control, questioning whether DeFi is truly ready for mainstream adoption.

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episode Episode 7: Permissioned vs. Permissionless: The debate every onchain dollar is making artwork

Episode 7: Permissioned vs. Permissionless: The debate every onchain dollar is making

Sam sets it up as a role-swap, with Dave (the permissioned business operator) arguing permissionless and Ian (the libertarian of the two) arguing permissioned. Dave opens with Marc Andreessen's 2014 New York Times op-ed (the original "declare a truth over the internet" framing) and uses it to argue that the only real innovation in a blockchain is solving one specific cryptography problem. Most of what gets called a blockchain today, he says, is doing nothing of the kind: ❝ A permissioned network of ten banks is going to go nowhere. ❞ Ian counters with what he calls "importing trustlessness." The pricing argument under it is sharper than the philosophy, because public blockchains cost cents in gas and carry billions in brand trust, which makes them a wildly mispriced utility for anyone building new market infrastructure. Sam brings the debate back to the news. SEC Chair Paul Atkins and Commissioner Hester Peirce are advancing a tokenized stock innovation exemption that lets equities be tokenized (potentially without the issuer's consent) and traded on DeFi (decentralized finance) applications. The regulator is drawing the first formal map of where the permissioned and permissionless worlds meet. Both hosts argue their way out of the positions they started with, and Ian's closing line is the one neither of them set out to deliver. Tune into Episode 07 for where the debate actually lands, the SEC ruling that just bent the line, and Ian's closer.

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episode Episode 6: Stablecoin Business Models: Who Captures the Yield? artwork

Episode 6: Stablecoin Business Models: Who Captures the Yield?

Why is Circle, a public US company that just IPO'd, racing to launch its own blockchain six months later? Dave makes the case that the headline reason (gas fees, agentic commerce) is third-order, and the first-order reason lands in five words. Who else is going to muscle into the issuance layer in the next twelve months? Anchorage is already dropping native USDC support so it can launch its own stablecoin. Coinbase is incentivizing non-USDC tokens despite being Circle's largest distribution partner. JP Morgan and Bank of America have not entered yet, and the moment they do, Web3 native issuers lose the only moat they had. Is BlackRock's new tokenized treasury reserve fund a niche infrastructure filing, or the start of a $30 trillion fixed income stack on chain? Ian thinks the next stop is mortgages, then investment grade credit, then structured credit, then leverage on top of all of it. The base layer is finally here. Tune into Episode 06 for the five-word answer to question one, the twelve-month timeline on question two, and how fast the rest of the credit curve follows.

18 de may de 20261 h 5 min
episode Episode 5: To Tokenize or Not to Tokenize? artwork

Episode 5: To Tokenize or Not to Tokenize?

Two visions of tokenization (the practice of representing real-world assets) are competing in real time, and only one of them delivers on the $19 trillion forecast for the category. The walled-garden version, where every major bank tokenizes its own deposits inside its own four walls, mostly produces press releases because it dresses up an existing database with blockchain language. The permissionless version is the one where BlackRock's tokenized treasury fund (BUIDL) just landed on Uniswap, where someone in Argentina can hold Nvidia stock from a wallet, and where private credit finally gets a marketplace it has never had — and it is the only one that actually rewires market structure. Episode 05 of Money Moves is about how to tell those two apart… and why the answer is mostly a legal rewiring, not a technical one.

8 de may de 20261 h 22 min
episode Episode 4: DeFi - The Laboratory for the Future of Finance artwork

Episode 4: DeFi - The Laboratory for the Future of Finance

In this episode of Money Moves, we delve into the complex world of decentralized finance (DeFi) and its intersection with traditional finance (TradFi). We explore recent events, including a $300 million hack, that highlight the vulnerabilities and risks within DeFi. Our discussion covers the tension between the instantaneous, permissionless nature of DeFi and the structured, regulated environment of TradFi. We examine how institutions like BlackRock are beginning to adopt blockchain technologies and the implications of this convergence. The episode also addresses the ethical and security challenges posed by DeFi's reliance on bridges and centralized control, questioning whether DeFi is truly ready for mainstream adoption.

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Episode 3: The Power Shift - How Stablecoins Are Shaping US Dollar Dominance

The de-dollarization narrative is everywhere. BRICS alternatives, Gulf states rethinking their Treasury holdings, a digital yuan push from Beijing, sovereign gold-buying at multi-decade highs.  So, is the dollar in trouble? In Episode 3, Samantha, Ian, and Dave take the debate on directly. Ian lays out the framework he uses to test every de-dollarization claim he hears, and systematically works through why the usual candidates don’t yet hold up. But the bigger surprise in this episode is the hidden risk to the dollar almost nobody is talking about. It’s not monetary policy. It’s not sanctions overreach. It’s something far more physical, and the U.S. is, by Ian’s own assessment, “literally nowhere” on it.

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