Damon Garcia on Purpose, Work, and Life Beyond Capitalism

Damon Garcia on Purpose, Work, and Life Beyond Capitalism

In this episode, host Gabby Lisi talks with author, speaker, content creator, and public theologian Damon Garcia about vocation, purpose, alienation, work, capitalism, and the liberating power of interdependence. Garcia challenges the idea that each of us simply needs to “find our calling” and pursue it harder. Instead, he asks what happens when our gifts, dreams, and sense of purpose are shaped by systems that require us to work in order to survive. Drawing from liberation theology, Marxist thought, anti-capitalist analysis, and his own experiences in ministry and wage labor, Garcia invites listeners to rethink work not as endless productivity, but as purposeful activity rooted in community. Together, Gabi and Damon explore how capitalism alienates workers from their labor, from one another, and from the resources needed to live. They also discuss how faith can help people imagine and build alternatives grounded in justice, mutual dependence, and collective power. Key Points · Many conversations about “calling” and “purpose” ignore the economic pressures that shape what people are able to do with their lives. · Capitalism often forces people either to pursue their gifts after exhausting work hours or to turn their dreams into profitable “dream jobs.” · Work can alienate workers emotionally, spiritually, socially, and physically. · Garcia argues that work is more than wage labor. It includes caregiving, community participation, creative work, household labor, and the everyday activity of sustaining life. · The episode explores Karl Marx’s idea of alienation alongside Dorothee Sölle’s theology of work and love. · Garcia challenges the idea of independence as the ultimate goal. Instead, he argues that humans are interdependent from birth to death. · Community, not individual achievement, is where purpose becomes possible. About Damon Garcia Damon Garcia is a writer, speaker, content creator, and public theologian whose work brings together liberation theology, anti-capitalist thought, spirituality, politics, and culture. He is the author of The God Who Riots: Taking Back the Radical Jesus and the forthcoming book You Don’t Need a Calling: An Anti-Capitalist Manifesto for a Life of Purpose. Through his writing, videos, the newsletter The Lure, and the podcast Perhaps with Damon Garcia, he helps people cultivate a radical imagination for building a freer, more compassionate, and more creative world. Resources Mentioned Damon Garcia’s website/newsletter, The Lure:  https://damongarcia.substack.com [https://damongarcia.substack.com?utm_source=chatgpt.com] Perhaps with Damon Garcia:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perhaps-with-damon-garcia/id1789498524 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perhaps-with-damon-garcia/id1789498524?utm_source=chatgpt.com] You Don’t Need a Calling: An Anti-Capitalist Manifesto for a Life of Purpose by Damon Garcia:  https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9798889832164/You-Dont-Need-a-Calling [https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9798889832164/You-Dont-Need-a-Calling] The God Who Riots: Taking Back the Radical Jesus by Damon Garcia: https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9781506480374/The-God-Who-Riots [https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9781506480374/The-God-Who-Riots] To Work and To Love by Dorothee Sölle: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/761570.To_Work_and_To_Love Karl Marx on alienated labor  Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm [https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm] This podcast was produced by Peterson Toscano [https://www.petersontoscano.com/] About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School [https://www.religionandjustice.org/]. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org [https://www.religionandjustice.org/] Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice [https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice] Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ [https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ] Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/ [https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/]

The Cross and the Olive Tree: Cultivating Palestinian Theology with John and Samuel Munayer

In this powerful discussion, hosts George Schmidt and Gabriella Lisi speak with John and Samuel Munayer about their new book, The Cross and the Olive Tree: Cultivating Palestinian Theology Amid Gaza. The conversation delves into the indigeneity of Palestinian Christianity, the metaphor of the olive tree as a framework for theology, and the importance of staying in the "long silence" of Holy Saturday during times of genocide and suffering. Key Discussion Points: * Theology as Resistance: Defining Palestinian theology as a form of resistance that affirms the reality of suffering while celebrating beauty, resilience, and joy. * The Indigeneity of the Olive Tree: Using the olive tree—a symbol of land and family history—as a metaphor for an indigenous theology that resists colonial frameworks. * St. George: Patron Saint of Palestine: Exploring St. George not as a colonial "dragon slayer," but as an indigenous martyr and liberative figure for both Christians and Muslims. * The Three Spheres of "Olive Oil" Theology: * Church Oil: Theology for blessing and anointing. * Olive Oil Soap: Academic work used to "cleanse" toxic colonial theologies. * Lamp Oil: The "lived theology" of everyday people—farmers and grandmothers—providing light in darkness. * The Silence of Holy Saturday: A reflection on the theological necessity of sitting with trauma and lament rather than rushing too quickly to the hope of Easter Sunday. * Internal Critique and Pruning: The need for decolonizing the self and critiquing internal power structures to build a more fruitful movement. Featured Book: The Cross and the Olive Tree: Cultivating Palestinian Theology Amid Gaza [https://orbisbooks.com/products/the-cross-and-the-olive-tree?srsltid=AfmBOooMNHj-iUV44Po5h7tBwYOqbJbpkkusCLBOVRiefn7bksgDu70B] https://orbisbooks.com/products/the-cross-and-the-olive-tree?srsltid=AfmBOooMNHj-iUV44Po5h7tBwYOqbJbpkkusCLBOVRiefn7bksgDu70B  Notable Contributors Mentioned: * Foreword: Reverend Naim Atik and Auntie Sidr Da'abes. * Yusuf Khoury: On "Teta" (grandmother) theology and the history of Gaza. * Mara Sargi: Connecting the genocides in Guatemala and Palestine. * Azemera Amori: Dialogue between Palestinian and Womanist/Black liberation theologies. * Lama Mansoor: On the importance of divine imagination. * Daniel Munayer: On the practicalities of reconciliation and liberation. * Shadiah Kupty: Comparing Palestinian and indigenous theologies in Turtle Island. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School [https://www.religionandjustice.org/]. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org [https://www.religionandjustice.org/] Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice [https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice] Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ [https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ] Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/ [https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/]

20 Minutes with Joerg Rieger: Deep Solidarity

Deep solidarity is not a warm sentiment or a “let’s all get along” slogan. It’s the kind of collective connection that makes the powerful nervous because it turns everyday shared pressure into organized power. We sit down with Professor Joerg Rieger to unpack what he means by deep solidarity and why it emerged for him out of Occupy Wall Street and the claim “we are the 99%.” Along the way, we draw a bright line between solidarity that liberates and solidarity that traps. We talk about conservative identity solidarity like nationalism and white supremacy, not just as prejudice but as a political technology that can “unite and conquer” by recruiting working people into projects that ultimately sacrifice them. We also dig into the limits of liberal moral solidarity. When solidarity is framed as charity or guilt, it often runs on outrage and burns out fast. Deep solidarity goes deeper than moral appeals by asking what is already tying our lives together under capitalism, extraction, and exploitation. We explore why worker organizing and the solidarity of the masses is what elites fear most, and why the best solidarity never erases difference. Finally, we take on the worry that the “99%” flattens race, gender, sexuality, ability, and other lived realities. We argue that deep solidarity only works when it treats difference as strength, learns from where suffering is greatest, and builds collective liberation without the Olympics of oppression. If you care about social justice, labor unions, community organizing, and real change, this conversation gives you language and clarity for what comes next. Subscribe, share this with a friend, leave a review, and tell us: what would deep solidarity change in your workplace or community? This episode of Religion and Justice was produced by Peterson Toscano Studios. Learn more about their other podcasts and projects. Visit petersontoscano.com [http://petersontoscano.com/]. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School [https://www.religionandjustice.org/]. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org [https://www.religionandjustice.org/] Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice [https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice] Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ [https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ] Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/ [https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/]

20 Minutes with Joerg Rieger: Anthropocene Vs. Capitalocene

Blaming “humanity” for climate collapse feels intuitive, but it hides the real drivers. We sit down with Prof. Joerg Rieger to unpack why Anthropocene flattens responsibility and how Capitalocene offers a sharper, more useful map—one that follows power, money, and relationships across extraction, production, and belief. From oil fields to boardrooms to pews, we trace how decisions at the top cascade into carbon, culture, and daily life. We start with the familiar story: humans shape the planet. Then we pull the thread—who, exactly, is shaping what? Joerg walks us through the links between petroleum, minerals, finance, and law, showing how extraction and exploitation move together. We interrogate terms like Eurocene and Petrocene, and explain why focusing on identities or single resources misses the system organizing them. Along the way, we tackle a live debate in geology about timescales, arguing that the rapid acceleration of capital-driven warming justifies a vocabulary that centers agency where it operates. The conversation turns to theology and culture, where modern metaphors drift from kings to CEOs. If God begins to mirror a chief executive bound to shareholder value, what happens to care for the common good? Jorg offers a theologically grounded critique and points to alternative traditions—jubilee, stewardship, solidarity—that resist extractive defaults. We also explore AI’s near future: not a savior or a curse, but a force that will amplify whatever incentives it serves. Under current structures, it risks deepening inequality and environmental strain; under new governance and ownership, it can help build resilience. By the end, we trade guilt for clarity. Instead of shaming consumers, we focus on production standards, energy systems, ownership, and policy that shift outcomes at scale. If you’re ready to move past vague blame toward concrete levers for change—across climate, economy, and faith—this conversation maps the terrain and points to the work ahead. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves big ideas, and leave a review with one system you think we should unpack next. This episode of Religion and Justice was produced by Peterson Toscano Studios. Learn more about their other podcasts and projects. Visit petersontoscano.com [http://petersontoscano.com/]. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School [https://www.religionandjustice.org/]. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org [https://www.religionandjustice.org/] Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice [https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice] Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ [https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ] Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/ [https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/]

Climate Changed: Faith, Climate, And The Work Right Here (Podcast Swap)

George and I took a break this holiday season and gave the mic to another organization doing great work: BTS Center's Climate Changed  Climate Changed is The BTS Center’s podcast. Well-crafted, warm, and invitational, Climate Changed explores some of the most pressing questions about faith, life, and climate change. The hosts of Climate Changed explores honest climate grief, then move toward the work that remains: creating small, connected refuges of courage, kindness, and action. Meg Wheatley’s “islands of sanity” meets Debra Rienstra’s “refugia” to offer practical steps for leaders, neighbors, and faith communities. • naming the limits of large-scale change • choosing contribution without attachment to outcomes • asking what’s needed here and am I the one • building islands of sanity through dialogue and shared work • refugia as ecological metaphor for local resilience • balancing mitigation, adaptation, doom, and hopium • reconnecting theology, hope, and climate action • practical next steps for small congregations • linking local projects across boundaries for strength • learning from communities long practiced in survival We would love to hear your thoughts and responses to our conversation. We would also welcome any suggestions you have for this show.  Feel free to email Climate Changed at podcast@theBTScenter.org. Learn about the many resources we share in our regular online programs by visiting theBTScenter.org. The BTS Center offers theologically grounded programs of spiritual and vocational formation — workshops and retreats, learning communities, book studies, spiritual accompaniment circles, public conversations and rituals, and projects of applied research — all with an intention to cultivate and nurture spiritual leadership for a climate-changed world. The BTS Center believes there is a divine urgency, a sacred calling, to this work, and we invite you to join us. This episode of Religion and Justice was produced by Peterson Toscano Studios. Learn more about their other podcasts and projects. Visit petersontoscano.com [http://petersontoscano.com/]. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School [https://www.religionandjustice.org/]. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org [https://www.religionandjustice.org/] Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice [https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice] Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ [https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ] Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/ [https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/]