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Karolinska MD PhD: You Feel Healthy. Your Data Disagrees Most people think they’re healthy. But biology doesn’t care how you feel. Long before symptoms show up, your physiology is already shifting.. and most check-ups won’t catch it. In this episode, we sit down with Natalia Trpchevska (MD, PhD Karolinska, Medical & Scientific Director at AYUN) to break down what longevity medicine actually looks like when applied properly. We go beyond surface-level optimization and talk about what actually drives risk: mitochondria, metabolic flexibility, genetics, and why most people are already off track without knowing it. This episode covers: * Why longevity medicine still struggles in practice * Mitochondria, NAD+ and optimization myths * Biohacking and the future of healthcare Key takeaways: * Health declines silently — symptoms come late * Longevity medicine asks: where are you heading biologically? * The basics still dominate outcomes — most people underestimate them * The next level is personalization, not more hacks * Two “healthy” people can have completely different risks * Mitochondria adapt first — then they start driving dysfunction * Most mitochondrial interventions are misunderstood * Genetics gives probabilities, not certainty * Real optimization = prioritization + sequencing About Natalia: Natalia Trpchevska is a medical doctor and holds a PhD in genetics from the Karolinska Institutet. She is the Medical & Scientific Director at AYUN in Zurich, where she focuses on applying systems biology and layered diagnostics to detect early shifts in physiology — before disease develops. Her work bridges clinical medicine and research, with a strong emphasis on translating complex biology into actionable interventions. Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction & Natalia’s background (Karolinska, genetics → clinic) 03:30 – Why genetics naturally leads into longevity medicine 05:00 – What longevity medicine actually does differently 07:30 – “Physiology before pathology” explained 09:30 – The basics vs. the real next level 11:30 – Same lifestyle, completely different risk profiles 13:30 – APOE4, Lp(a) and personalized strategy 15:00 – Mitochondria: what actually happens as you age 18:30 – When mitochondrial dysfunction becomes clinically relevant 21:00 – Cause vs. consequence: where mitochondria fit in aging 23:30 – How mitochondrial function is actually measured 26:30 – Why isolated tests don’t work (layered diagnostics) 29:00 – What happens after testing: prioritization & sequencing 32:00 – Why “doing everything” doesn’t work 35:00 – IHHT explained: mechanism, benefits, limitations 38:30 – Risks, contraindications & when it backfires 41:00 – Environment vs. lifestyle: what really drives dysfunction 44:00 – The hierarchy: metabolism → inflammation → toxins 47:00 – Why most people focus on the wrong layer 49:30 – What genetics got wrong over the last decade 53:00 – Polygenic risk, probabilities & real-world use 56:00 – Gene–environment interaction: what actually matters 58:30 – Final thoughts: what people still misunderstand about health Links: Natalia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalia-trpchevska/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalia-trpchevska/] https://www.ayun.ch/ [https://www.ayun.ch/] More about Return on Health: https://returnonhealth.de/ [https://returnonhealth.de/] Niko: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niko-hems/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/niko-hems/] https://www.instagram.com/niko_hems [https://www.instagram.com/niko_hems] https://nikohems.de/ [https://nikohems.de/] Miguel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/miguel-medina-stanivukovic-857b9720b/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/miguel-medina-stanivukovic-857b9720b/] https://www.instagram.com/miguelmedinastanivukovic/ [https://www.instagram.com/miguelmedinastanivukovic/]
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