Episode 25 - Interview with Former 2x2 Member Steve Hegyi - The Church With No Name But Plenty of Rules

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Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2240617/fan_mail/new] The Two Books mentioned in the interview: "Preserving the Truth: The Church without a Name and Its Founder, William Irvine" by Cherie Kropp-Ehrig "The Truth About The Truth" by Mary Ann Schoeff ********************************************************************************** A church that refuses a name can still demand your whole identity. Steve Hegyi joins me to describe what it’s like to grow up inside the Two by Two religion (also known as the 2x2s, the Truth, or the Way) and slowly realize that what you were taught was “faithfulness” often functions as spiritual abuse, coercive control, and enforced silence. We walk through the practical mechanics that keep the system running: private home meetings, traveling “workers” who hold spiritual authority, overseers who steer decisions, and a culture with no formal creed and little written accountability. Steve explains how secrecy works socially and spiritually, why questions are treated as danger, and how gossip can become a quiet form of discipline. He also shares the pressure families feel to perform perfection, especially when workers stay in their home, and how that performance shapes kids, friendships, and emotional development. Then we get honest about the deeper costs, especially for men formed by patriarchy. Steve describes expectations around leadership, control, and emotional suppression, including how anger can be normalized while vulnerability is shamed. We also name red flags like lack of transparency, cover up culture, and harmful responses to abuse, and we talk about what healing looks like after leaving: learning grace instead of earning, rebuilding relationships, practicing accountability, and finding a faith that’s allowed to be curious. If you’re navigating religious trauma, faith deconstruction, or recovery from a high control church, I think Steve’s clarity will help you feel less alone. "Be Human, Be Kind, Be Both."

Episode 21 - Interview with Pastor Kayleigh Clark - Restoring the Flock: God’s Blueprint for Healing After Collective Trauma

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2240617/fan_mail/new] In this podcast episode with our guest, Pastor & scholar Kayleigh Clark we explore how collective trauma reshapes churches, why language and listening matter, how sometimes the first step of finding healing a church is about asking the right questions, and how new shepherds can gather what harm scattered. She shares a path from lament to restoration with trauma-informed ministry, empathetic witness, and patient trust-building. Additional topics, references, website & terms mentioned below. • Defining collective trauma and loss of communality • The body of Christ keeps the score as a diagnostic lens • COVID’s disruption, decision fatigue, and grief in congregations • Betrayal trauma and why defenses form around leaders • Jeremiah 23, negligent shepherds, and God’s new shepherds • Using careful, descriptive language before hard labels • Pastors’ secondary traumatic stress and pastoral self-care • After-pastors, church splits, and rebuilding safety • Theology that heals vs theologies that harm and shame • Shifting diagnosis from behaviors to “what happened to us” • Revitalization & Reformation.... with Restoration as a third path to consider • Lament, middle-space testimonies, and empathetic witnessing • Reading scriptures through the eyes of the sufferer • Practical methods to restore trust and communality YOUTUBE EPISODE LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREm75DGcgk [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREm75DGcgk] Check out Restor(y) resources at restorycenter.com Restor(y) is a nonprofit founded by Pastor Kayleigh Clark whose mission is to accompany churches through healing, restoration, and wholeness Link to article of "New Shepherds For A Hurting Church https://www.restorycenter.com/blog/new-shepherds-for-a-hurting-church [https://www.restorycenter.com/blog/new-shepherds-for-a-hurting-church] A Theological Framework for Religious Trauma (Short Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSIpj-NhhnA [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSIpj-NhhnA] Kayleigh's Blog on Restor(y) https://www.restorycenter.com/blog [https://www.restorycenter.com/blog] Jeremiah 23 NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/search=Jeremiah%2023&version=NIV [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah%2023&version=NIV] TERMS Secondary Trauma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_trauma [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_trauma] DARVO is an acronym that describes a common pattern of behavior used by individuals—often abusers or manipulators—when they are confronted about their harmful actions. It stands for: D – Deny, A – Attack, RVO – Reverse Victim and Offender Soul Bruises Episode on DARVO https://www.buzzsprout.com/2240617/episodes/16013641 [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2240617/episodes/16013641] Collective trauma happens when a whole community or group of people goes through something deeply painful or disruptive—like abuse, conflict, disaster, or loss—and it impacts not just individuals, but the relationships, trust, and identity of the entire group. Betrayal trauma refers to the psychological harm that occurs when someone experiences a profound violation of trust or safety by a person or system they depend on for protection, care, or support. Communality refers to the quality or state of sharing things in common — a sense of belonging, mutual responsibility, and connection within a group or community "Be Human, Be Kind, Be Both."

12 de oct de 20251 h 47 min

Episode 25 - Interview with Former 2x2 Member Steve Hegyi - The Church With No Name But Plenty of Rules

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