Episode 61 | I Was 8 When They Picked the Cousin I Had to Marry | Michelle Michaels

Episode 65 | My 13 Year Old Sister Died to Save Our Mom

Get Andrews Book: Escaping the Kingdom of God (Amazon / Audible): https://a.co/d/0bPrfiaX Escaping the Kingston Group (The Order): Andrew Robinson on Abuse, Forced Labor, and Leaving Polygamy | The Jaden Jeffs Podcast On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews Andrew Robinson, who was born into the Kingston Group (The Order/Davis County Cooperative Society) as the son of Daniel Kingston’s third wife; Daniel had up to 14 wives and an estimated 160 children, and Andrew says Daniel was abusive, controlling, and kept families separated. Andrew describes childhood forced labor at the farm, limited schooling and sex education, social anxiety, and a marriage process requiring approvals from Paul Kingston and parents, with expectations to propose on a first date. He recounts his mother’s cancer being treated with a YouTube-found regimen, his sister Rachel running to police over abuse, being returned home, and later dying by suicide, after which his mother died soon after. Andrew says COVID and cult-exposure videos helped him recognize the group as a scam, and he and his wife left with help from Holding Out Help; he urges members to “unpack the boxes” and stop lying to themselves. He promotes his book, "Escaping the Kingdom of God." 00:59 Meet Andrew Robinson 01:50 Marriage Age and Hierarchy 02:56 Abuse and Farm Labor 06:24 Kingston Leadership Explained 07:46 Incest and Normalized Praise 11:38 Puberty Without Sex Ed 18:52 Resenting a Violent Father 20:40 Shyness and Forced Isolation 24:32 Sunday Night Dread 28:31 Dances and Mom’s Push 34:08 Direction to Choose a Wife 38:41 First Date Proposal Pressure 40:45 Fighting for Permission 42:58 Engagement Yes Moment 43:51 Quick Wedding Culture 45:30 Order Money System 48:46 New Marriage Reality 51:26 Shelfing Doubts 54:17 Mom’s Cancer Control 01:00:16 Rachel Runs Away 01:07:07 Aftermath and Blame 01:17:15 Leaving the Order 01:26:09 Polygamy Pressure 01:30:50 Rewiring as a Parent 01:36:41 Therapy and Trauma Humor 01:41:07 Faith and Final Advice **JADEN'S LINKS** 👇 SHOP MERCH fromjaden.com 👇 FOLLOW + SUPPORT THE PODCAST 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3GHUWDyJ5ZJ0QzVu8EihBH?si=hpDUxgqMR9CIkwei0Ghiew 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jaden-jeffs-podcast/id1795576157 ✉️ Newsletter (Substack): https://jadenjeffs.substack.com/ 👇 WEBSITE JadenJeffs.com 👇 SOCIALS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realjadenjeffs TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jadenjeffs100 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BtYdgFoS5/ 👇 WATCH NEXT ➡️ Most Popular Videos: https://youtu.be/I-gZtaxMv9whttps://youtu.be/3WIYe15Ostshttps://youtu.be/rNKg83fMuN4 ➡️ Full Podcast Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk3w3VkHlWzRgsNC_wNeOBxa0AEBnpsCz 👇 BUSINESS 📩 Contact: heyjadenjeffs@gmail.com ☕ Buy me a coffee via Venmo: https://venmo.com/u/fitoj

Episode 64 | 4 Men Were Convicted of R**ing Me Before I Was 16

Follow Steph on tic tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@culty.steph?_r=1&_t=ZP-96bsVq01Zp1 On the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Steph recounts a childhood marked by repeated sexual and physical abuse in LDS-connected homes and the ways church authority, secrecy, and “repentance” were used instead of protection. She describes her father’s abuse and conviction, abusive stepfathers, frequent moves while homeless or evading child services, and being exploited for labor after being pulled from school. At 15, she reported an attempted assault by her stepbrother-in-law Richard; her family blamed her, and an LDS bishop bailed him out and supported him before he fled and later was convicted of several felonies after additional victims. Steph also describes being groomed at 16–17 by a 28-year-old LDS leader, being shamed and disfellowshipped by a bishop, and later being denied church aid unless she paid tithing. She connects these patterns to her sister Cindy’s later life sentence for a 2009 killing and to her niece’s trafficking case, arguing for mandatory reporting laws. 00:47 Podcast intro and guest 03:07 Parents and early abuse 06:15 Bishop knew for years 07:08 Stepdad Alan and violence 13:05 Midnight moves and homelessness 17:42 Utah motels and crash 21:28 Mom marries Mike fast 25:39 Richard the abuser 28:20 Pulled from school and exploited 30:04 Child labor at Business Habitat 37:04 Abandoning brother and Oregon 42:39 Church life and mistletoe sales 45:27 Back to Utah Again 47:14 Assault and Blame 50:14 Bishop Bails Predator 52:26 Closet Punishment 58:19 Running to Hospital 59:58 Kinship with Brother 01:01:58 Move to Florida 01:04:26 Milton Grooms Her 01:10:57 Bishop Disfellowships 01:16:08 Forced Teen Marriage 01:20:32 Hawaii Teen Mom 01:30:02 Divorce and Tithing 01:32:31 Tithing Or Groceries 01:35:09 Phasing Out Of Church 01:35:40 Early Doubts And Racism 01:37:27 Cindy Left Behind 01:39:38 Isolation And Suicide Attempts 01:41:52 Cindy With The Kids 01:44:31 Murder Plot Unfolds 01:48:28 Life Without Parole 01:51:29 Trauma And Accountability 01:54:23 Little B Abandoned 01:57:14 Tinder Predator And Trafficking 02:02:00 Seeking Help From OUR 02:08:02 Trial PTSD And Jail 02:13:34 Rebecca Dies Family Twist 02:16:08 Cut Off After Leaving 02:16:42 Family Fallout After Death 02:18:05 Predator Warning to Kids 02:19:35 Church Covers Abuse 02:21:16 Hotline and Moving Abusers 02:28:09 Affairs Worse Than Abuse 02:31:21 Tithing and Exploiting Poverty 02:35:51 LDS and FLDS Similarities 02:37:01 Tim Ballard Controversy 02:42:35 Push for Mandatory Reporting 02:46:16 Marching and Final Wrap 👇**SHOP MERCH HERE FROM JADEN** [fromjaden.com](http://fromjaden.com) 👇 **FOLLOW + SUPPORT THE PODCAST** Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3GHUWDyJ5ZJ0QzVu8EihBH?si=hpDUxgqMR9CIkwei0Ghiew 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jaden-jeffs-podcast/id1795576157 ✉️ Newsletter (Substack): https://jadenjeffs.substack.com/ 👇 **MY Website** JadenJeffs.com 👇 **SOCIALS** Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realjadenjeffs?igsh=cm9ybmY1dzk1dmNp&utm_source=qr TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jadenjeffs100?_r=1&_t=ZP-91rDt1rkLz5 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BtYdgFoS5/?mibextid=wwXIfr 👇 **WATCH NEXT** ➡️ Most Popular Videos: https://youtu.be/I-gZtaxMv9w https://youtu.be/3WIYe15Osts https://youtu.be/rNKg83fMuN4 ➡️ Podcast Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk3w3VkHlWzRgsNC_wNeOBxa0AEBnpsCz&si=izu5YMpxghxqO13m 👇 **BUSINESS** 📩 Contact: heyjadenjeffs@gmail.com Buy me a Coffee via Venmo ❤️  https://venmo.com/u/fitoj

Episode 63 | Warren Jeffs Said I Cut Up Babies: Sienna Haze (part 2)

Go order from Sienna Haze arts right here:  https://papergardenart.com/ Follow Sienna on tic tok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@siennahaze4?_r=1&_t=ZP-96FEWdWWhgd Support me by subscribing to my Substack here: https://jadenjeffs.substack.com/ In Part 2 of The Jaden Jeffs Podcast with his sister Sienna, she describes being pulled by “revelations” to move with her mother’s family to Fargo, North Dakota, receiving a message claiming she had venereal disease, and trying to start work and businesses while enjoying a brief period of freedom. As more of their father’s family moved in, a harsh hierarchy and conflict intensified, especially around rules, “worthiness,” and even dogs, leading to isolation, secret texting, and punishments after screenshots were taken from her phone. Sienna recounts being cut off from Mother, moving between “good” and “bad” houses, enduring vivid late-night trainings and accusations of extreme crimes, losing pets, and watching leaders bend rules while controlling others. She later reconnects with family, rejects pressure to marry into another group, leaves the lifestyle, and discusses mental health, individuality, and her art business, PaperGardenArt.com. 01:05 Fargo Move Order 07:45 Winter Survival Mode 10:45 Freedom Then Family Arrives 13:04 Dog Drama Hierarchy 18:34 Lonely Internet Escape 29:34 Terrestrialized Ultimatum 38:36 WiFi Deep Dive 40:57 Caught By Screenshots 45:44 Exiled And Shamed 50:19 Mechanical Room Breakdown 52:25 Rash and Relocation 53:09 Mothers Forced Out 54:32 Girls Move Without Her 55:10 Alone With Mothers 56:27 Suicidal Thoughts Surface 57:37 Back With Good People 57:56 Midnight Revelations Marathon 59:49 Fear and Silence Rules 01:02:05 South Dakota Land Rush 01:02:39 Dogs Taken Away 01:04:33 Sheriff Becomes Escape 01:05:56 Scribes and Selective Punishment 01:07:31 Downgraded and Rebellious 01:10:39 Hegeman Permission Control 01:11:39 Getting Saffy the Puppy 01:12:38 Jaska Goes Missing 01:16:04 Telling Mom the Truth 01:17:59 Girls Cut Her Off 01:19:36 Williston With Good Girls 01:21:20 Dogs Trigger Isolation 01:23:13 Cameras and False Accusations 01:25:21 Begging to Leave 01:26:27 Escape to Horus 01:27:28 Learning the Real Dad 01:28:45 Tarantula Targeted 01:30:54 Two Month Reality Crash 01:32:30 Barlow Visit and Marriage Pressure 01:35:03 Why She Finally Left 01:37:13 Fast Freedom Spiral 01:39:23 Forgiveness and Tyrants 01:43:03 Idaho Trauma and Healing 01:44:39 Rexburg Existential Reset 01:45:41 Escaping Rexburg Trauma 01:47:33 Starting Over in North Dakota 01:48:53 Unlearning the Rush 01:49:32 Boundaries and Distance 01:52:17 Individuality After Cults 01:55:42 Seeing Cults Everywhere 01:58:02 Depression and Identity Loss 02:01:48 Mental Health and Victimhood 02:07:35 Did Dad Dismantle the Cult 02:18:01 Art Business and Farewell 👇**SHOP MERCH HERE FROM JADEN** [fromjaden.com](http://fromjaden.com) 👇 **FOLLOW + SUPPORT THE PODCAST** Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3GHUWDyJ5ZJ0QzVu8EihBH?si=hpDUxgqMR9CIkwei0Ghiew 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jaden-jeffs-podcast/id1795576157 ✉️ Newsletter (Substack): https://jadenjeffs.substack.com/ 👇 **MY Website** JadenJeffs.com 👇 **SOCIALS** Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realjadenjeffs?igsh=cm9ybmY1dzk1dmNp&utm_source=qr TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jadenjeffs100?_r=1&_t=ZP-91rDt1rkLz5 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BtYdgFoS5/?mibextid=wwXIfr 👇 **WATCH NEXT** ➡️ Most Popular Videos: https://youtu.be/I-gZtaxMv9w

Episode 62 | Warren Jeffs’ 28th Child: “I Was Sent Away Forever” | Sienna Haze

Go order from Sienna Haze arts right here:  https://papergardenart.com/ Follow Sienna on tic tok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@siennahaze4?_r=1&_t=ZP-96FEWdWWhgd Support me by subscribing to my Substack here: https://jadenjeffs.substack.com/ On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews his full sister Sienna Haze about growing up as Warren Jeffs’ children in the FLDS. Sienna recounts early life in Hildale/Short Creek, moving to the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Texas, strict community schooling, and her cleft-lip surgeries that exposed her to the outside world. She describes the 2008 Texas raid, separation at the Pavilion, DNA testing, and being repeatedly reassigned because she was “too much to handle.” The conversation follows the family’s post-raid years of hiding in Colorado, shifting “worthiness” rankings tied to living arrangements (Texas new house vs. original, South Dakota, hiding, Short Creek), and escalating punishments, isolation, and control. Sienna details manipulative “revelations,” name changes, forced separations from their mother, and ultimately being told to leave and “earn their own way,” leading to work and life in the outside world and later upheavals in Idaho and directives to move again. 👇**SHOP MERCH HERE FROM JADEN** [fromjaden.com](http://fromjaden.com) 👇 **FOLLOW + SUPPORT THE PODCAST** Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3GHUWDyJ5ZJ0QzVu8EihBH?si=hpDUxgqMR9CIkwei0Ghiew 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jaden-jeffs-podcast/id1795576157 ✉️ Newsletter (Substack): https://jadenjeffs.substack.com/ 👇 **MY Website** JadenJeffs.com 👇 **SOCIALS** Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realjadenjeffs?igsh=cm9ybmY1dzk1dmNp&utm_source=qr TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jadenjeffs100?_r=1&_t=ZP-91rDt1rkLz5 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BtYdgFoS5/?mibextid=wwXIfr 👇 **WATCH NEXT** ➡️ Most Popular Videos: https://youtu.be/I-gZtaxMv9w https://youtu.be/3WIYe15Osts https://youtu.be/rNKg83fMuN4 ➡️ Podcast Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk3w3VkHlWzRgsNC_wNeOBxa0AEBnpsCz&si=izu5YMpxghxqO13m 👇 **BUSINESS** 📩 Contact: heyjadenjeffs@gmail.com Buy me a Coffee via Venmo ❤️  https://venmo.com/u/fitoj 42:48 Colorado Hiding Adventures 43:44 Lost On Mountain 44:22 What Hiding Meant 47:43 Hiding Becomes Punishment 48:14 Dad Jail Phone Calls 51:19 New House Worthiness 58:56 Inside New House Rules 01:01:24 Off Limits Dad Wing 01:04:17 Short Creek Triplex Hell 01:05:42 2012 Whiplash Moves 01:07:11 Scribes Mental Torture 01:08:58 Summoned to New House 01:11:21 New House Privilege 01:13:08 Pressure and Favorites 01:14:25 Texas to South Dakota 01:16:13 Forbidden Family Contact 01:16:39 Towers Built and Destroyed 01:20:35 Duplex Non Member Life 01:21:41 Midnight Supply Run 01:24:36 Mother Shena Illness 01:27:30 Hiding House to House 01:29:31 Immorality Accusations 01:32:34 Colorado House Peace 01:35:23 Quaker House Gathering 01:37:59 April Sixth Dread 01:39:06 Sent to Short Creek 01:41:06 Uncle Nephi Message 01:42:15 Privileges and Garden 01:42:56 Service and Confinement 01:45:04 Uncle Lyle Arrives 01:48:25 Sent Away Forever 01:52:25 Learning the World 01:58:05 Denver Work and Rules 01:59:50 Seven Month Deadline 02:03:48 Cedar Meetings Begin 02:05:29 Split Up Again 02:09:27 Letters to Nations 02:15:18 Naomi Takes Control 02:22:44 Fargo Escape Order

Episode 61 | I Was 8 When They Picked the Cousin I Had to Marry | Michelle Michaels

Follow Michelle on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mmichaels_35?igsh=MTF3d216NHE2M3hxeg== Support me by reading my latest substack post: ❤️ https://jadenjeffs.substack.com On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden talks with Michelle Michaels (known as “Ava” on Escaping Polygamy), who was born and raised in the Kingston polygamist group (The Order). Michelle explains her family ties to leadership, including that her father Jesse (Paul Kingston’s brother) had over 200 children and that her mother is his niece. She describes severe physical abuse in her home, including punishments with belts and boards, being told at age eight who she would marry, and learning that fathers often delivered babies. Michelle recounts her mother going to jail after an 18‑month‑old child died in their care, alleging her father beat the child, and explains how fake names and inaccurate birth certificates were used. She details planning her escape, creating a fake Facebook profile to contact ex-members, working to gain emancipation, appearing on Escaping Polygamy, and struggling with emotional disconnection, dating, and learning “normal” life after leaving in 2017. 01:16 Podcast Introductions 02:52 Escaping Polygamy Fame 04:22 Hair Rules and Culture Shock 06:08 Blunt Questions After Leaving 08:25 Dating and Birth Traditions 21:37 Mom Jailed Baby Death 25:02 Incest Laws and Plea Deal 39:19 Beatings and Learning Not to Cry 43:41 Dad’s Favoritism and Abuse 44:34 Hardest Ages Growing Up 46:08 Weapons and Beatings 47:40 Assigned Marriage at Eight 49:50 Perfection Wife Expectations 51:37 Mom’s Dangerous Pregnancies 55:10 Life at Fifteen and Fear 59:09 Comic Con Toy Runs 01:05:41 Toys Over Family Values 01:11:14 Wives Servants and Control 01:14:37 Marriage Pressure at Seventeen 01:26:52 Planning the Escape 01:29:21 Leaving With Escaping Polygamy 01:35:49 Aftermath and Tattoo Talk 01:38:28 Tattoos After Leaving 01:41:03 Biker Stereotypes Flip 01:44:22 Dating Outside the Cult 01:52:08 Vulnerability and Trust 01:57:46 Sharing Your Cult Past 02:02:44 Finding Joy and Favorites 02:04:58 Food Choices and Control 02:09:18 Hobbies and Peace 02:11:58 Bluntness and Empathy 02:25:54 Fake Birth Certificates 02:28:28 Fake Dad on Paperwork 02:28:50 Jail and Kid Injuries 02:29:26 Drinks and Being Blunt 02:31:24 Tattoos and First Impressions 02:35:25 Caffeine and Panic Attacks 02:40:06 Dating Struggles 02:41:40 Therapy Debate 02:52:53 Love Feels Like a Cult 02:55:44 AI as Therapist 03:03:26 Bad Doctors Story 03:08:02 Kingston vs FLDS Brain 03:08:27 Men and Therapy 03:09:49 Leaving FLDS and Healing 03:11:03 Logic Versus Emotions 03:16:54 Combining Empathy and Reason 03:19:39 Victim Advocate Explained 03:22:13 Morality After Cults 03:24:41 Bad Therapists and Stigma 03:30:05 Politics and Human Respect 👇**SHOP MERCH HERE FROM JADEN** [fromjaden.com](http://fromjaden.com) 👇 **FOLLOW + SUPPORT THE PODCAST** Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3GHUWDyJ5ZJ0QzVu8EihBH?si=hpDUxgqMR9CIkwei0Ghiew 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jaden-jeffs-podcast/id1795576157 ✉️ Newsletter (Substack): https://jadenjeffs.substack.com/ 👇 **MY Website** JadenJeffs.com 👇 **SOCIALS** Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realjadenjeffs?igsh=cm9ybmY1dzk1dmNp&utm_source=qr TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jadenjeffs100?_r=1&_t=ZP-91rDt1rkLz5 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BtYdgFoS5/?mibextid=wwXIfr 👇 **BUSINESS** 📩 Contact: heyjadenjeffs@gmail.com Buy me a Coffee via Venmo ❤️  https://venmo.com/u/fitoj