Bob Latham: Why Fear Is the Secret to Great Leadership

Whitney Pierpont: Training Horses for the Olympics

In this episode, Pat sits down with Whitney Pierpont, a chance airport acquaintance turned fascinating conversation, who trains horses and riders at her farm in Aiken, South Carolina. Whitney is an eventing and dressage specialist with a quiet reputation as something of a horse whisperer, able to take anxious, unruly, or rehabbing horses and transform them into calm, confident partners. On a typical day she rides five to six horses, and during competition season that number climbs to eight...everything from a neurological rehab case to an Argentine import being groomed for a shot at the Canadian Olympic team.The conversation traces Whitney's path from a childhood riding lesson in Bernardsville, New Jersey (a Wednesday highlight she and her best friend could barely wait for) through a college riding team at St. Lawrence University, a detour through New York City publishing and graphic design copywriting, and finally landing, almost by manifestation, as she describes it, on a 65-acre farm in Aiken that she now co-owns and runs. Along the way, she and Pat explore what actually makes a horse trust a person, the deep bond between women and horses, the blurred and rewarding line between clients and friendship, and lessons learned the hard way (like never changing your socks mid-marathon).The episode turns toward mindset and resilience, visualization and manifesting the life you want, choosing to "celebrate what's right with the world" even when things go wrong, and pushing through adversity in competition, whether that's a triathlon in the rain or a marathon run on bloody blisters.

Alan Tinsmon: What Wealthy Families Get Wrong About Happiness

In this episode, Pat sits down with a longtime friend, Alan Tinsmon - someone he's known since they were twelve-year-old wrestlers riding a bus together to summer camp at St. Lawrence University. Alan grew up in the Albany area after an early childhood in Rochester, New York, and shares how a middle school gym teacher first pointed him toward wrestling - a sport neither Pat nor Alan competes in anymore, but one they both still follow obsessively (the NCAA wrestling tournament remains, hands down, their Super Bowl).The conversation traces Alan's career from SUNY Oswego to Barnett Bank in Florida, then into the chaos of the savings and loan crisis working bank closures for the FDIC in his early twenties - including getting called "an arrogant young punk wielding imaginary powers" in a letter to a U.S. congressman. From there, Alan spent a decade at Serta Mattress Company moving across the country through a wave of acquisitions, before landing in a family office role he's now held for over 30 years, coordinating investment, estate, and philanthropic strategy for a family spanning five generations.The back half of the conversation turns reflective, with Pat and Alan digging into what actually makes wealthy families happy and functional (hint: it starts with health, not money), the challenge, and quiet burden, facing next-generation heirs of family businesses, the discipline required to avoid emotional investing, and the value of long-term, trust-based relationships built over decades rather than transactions.

Bob Latham: Why Fear Is the Secret to Great Leadership

In this episode, Pat sits down with Bob Latham, longtime executive of a Pennsylvania trade association representing highway and road contractors, with a career spanning nearly five decades in construction industry advocacy at the state, regional, and national levels. Bob shares stories from his childhood split between Camp Hill, Pennsylvania and summers at the Jersey Shore in Ocean City, including a vivid firsthand account of surviving Hurricane Agnes in 1972, one of the most devastating storms in central Pennsylvania history. The conversation traces Bob's unconventional path into lobbying - a political science degree, a campaign internship, and a chance decision to join a contractor association straight out of college rather than go work for the Department of Transportation. From there, Bob walks through his career arc: rising through the Pennsylvania association, a stint leading contractor affairs nationally in Washington D.C., thirteen years running the Maryland chapter during the construction of Camden Yards, and returning home to Pennsylvania where he's spent the last chapter of his career. He and Pat also dig into the unique, symbiotic relationship between contractor associations and state DOTs, the role lobbying actually plays in a functioning democracy, and Bob's plans for his final year on the job: launching a leadership institute to develop the next generation of industry leaders. The back half of the conversation turns personal and philosophical, with Pat and Bob discussing fear, failure, and vulnerability in an industry built on high-stakes bidding, and why admitting fear, rather than projecting fearlessness, might be the most important trait a leader can have.

Ross King: The Secret Genius Behind Florence's Impossible Dome

In this episode, Pat sits down with acclaimed author Ross King, whose book Brunelleschi's Dome has captivated readers for over two decades (and inspired Pat to give away more than 100 copies to friends). Ross opens up about his childhood in a tiny Saskatchewan border town, his winding academic path through three universities and a failed bid at a professorship, and how a novel-in-progress about Filippo Brunelleschi transformed into one of the most beloved works of narrative nonfiction ever written.The conversation dives deep into the story behind the story: how 14th-century Florence dared to build a dome larger than the Pantheon before anyone knew how, how Brunelleschi - a goldsmith and clockmaker with no architectural training - solved it through secrecy, ingenuity, and sheer force of will, and the astonishing engineering details that still puzzle experts today (the herringbone brickwork, the ox hoist with history's first clutch mechanism, safety harnesses centuries ahead of their time). Along the way, Pat and Ross find a deeper theme running through it all: that building something impossible — a dome, a book, a life — always comes at a cost, and that cost is worth it.In this episode: - Ross King's childhood on the Canada/North Dakota border and his earliest memory - How reading transported him beyond a town of 150 people - Comparisons to Dava Sobel's Longitude and their shared editor - Why Brunelleschi's Dome almost became a novel instead of nonfiction - The 1290s Florentine "hubris" that led to the dome being commissioned - Brunelleschi's secrecy, his rivalry with Lorenzo Ghiberti, and being thrown out of a public meeting - The herringbone brick pattern and ox hoist that made construction possible - What it's like to climb all 463 steps to the top of the dome today - Life, legacy, and building your own "cathedral"

Sam Mushaw: The Power of Taking Responsibility

Pat DiCerbo sits down with Sam Mushaw - President of Dimension Fabricators, Navy Seabee veteran, and a leader who built his career the hard way: through responsibility, consistency, and respect for people.From growing up in Clifton Park to serving in the U.S. Navy - building in some of the toughest conditions in the world - Sam brought that same mindset into business. Starting in a small, struggling shop, he helped scale Dimension Fabricators into a powerhouse, taking on projects worth tens of millions of dollars.This episode dives into: - What the Navy Seabees taught him about leadership under pressure - Building a company from the ground up...literally and figuratively - Taking on massive projects (including $80M+ infrastructure jobs) - Why great leaders don’t yell...they build trust - Creating a culture where people actually want to show up - The small things that drive big loyalty (recognition, respect, accountability) - Why Sam actively fires toxic customers to protect his team - The mindset of always asking: “How can I do better for you?”This isn’t theory. It’s real leadership, built over decades - through long hours, tough decisions, and a commitment to doing things the right way.