The Red Sheep Podcast
Here's a summary for those who have limited time and want to skip to the good bits.I'm struck by how much I look like Michael J Fox. Introduction & Personal Background * 00:00 Welcome to "The Pastor's Couch," an FCC Develop session. * 00:10 Introduction of Kurt Peters from Red Sheep. * 00:27 Kurt shares about his family: married, three kids (19, 17, and a daughter in year 10). * 01:12 Kurt's ministry background: Saved at 20, 19 years in Anglican ministry, planted a church in Botany, finished full-time pastoral ministry in 2022. * 01:39 Reason for finishing full-time ministry: Diagnosed with early-onset Parkinson's disease in 2018, which made the demands of full-time pastoral work unsustainable. * 02:04 Parkinson's journey led to developing talks/workshops (e.g., for Oxygen conference) on 2 Corinthians 12 (strength in weakness) and processing grief. Red Sheep & Pastoral Supervision Philosophy * 02:49 Reflection on God's work through his illness led him to develop workshops to help others consider weakness and God's role, eventually leading to pastoral supervision. * 03:58 His experience with Parkinson's (strength in weakness) gives him significant compassion for isolated and struggling ministers. * 04:28 Ministry life is difficult; pastoral supervision is vital. * 05:17 The name "Red Sheep": * 05:29 Originates from a vision he had at 20 (after reading Charles Finney) of Jesus and sheep struggling with barbed wire, bleeding. * 05:49 God gave him a heart for "wounded sheep"; Red Sheep is an expression of this calling. * 07:09 Host reflects on the value of having Kurt as a pastoral supervisor – a safe space. * 07:59 Why consider pastoral supervision? Ministry is isolating, and many pastors have no one to talk to about significant issues (ministry, family, leadership). * 09:31 Everyone needs someone (psychologist, counsellor, pastoral supervisor) outside their immediate context to talk to, feel safe, heard, and reflect. * 10:12 Kurt's definition of pastoral supervision: "God-centered reflection on your ministry practice." It's not navel-gazing but seeing how God is at work. * 11:04 Pastoral supervision is focused on ministry practice (which is broad, including family life) but will refer to counselling if deeper personal issues dominate. The Value & Practice of Reflection * 12:11 Pastoral supervision provides a necessary "third space" for reflection, especially when work, family, and church life are intertwined. * 12:55 Kurt admits reflection didn't come naturally; he often only reflected when forced by circumstances (e.g., illness like appendicitis led to church planting). * 13:42 A pastoral supervision course helped him reframe his poor metaphor of reflection (wheels spinning nowhere) to a positive one: "walking and talking with Jesus." * 15:17 Reflection is a biblical concept (e.g., meditation in Psalms on God's perfect law). * 15:46 Kurt wishes he had a pastoral supervisor earlier in his ministry. His goal now is to help others make reflection a regular part of their ministry. * 16:21 There's been a shift in ministry from reflective practice to being more results-driven, making intentional reflection even more crucial. Why Pastoral Supervision Now? & Practicalities * 17:02 The rise of pastoral supervision: Significantly influenced by the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse, which recommended it for ministry workers. * 18:12 While initially a compliance push, God is using it for genuine benefit and growth for ministers. * 19:27 Host emphasises the profound value experienced once undertaking supervision. * 20:29 There's a current legislative and spiritual moment in Australia highlighting the need for this. * 21:00 Practicalities of a supervision session: * 21:15 Initial contact, introductory call, contract. * 21:46 May use assessments (e.g., Wellness, StandOut, Working Genius, DISC) to understand energisers, team dynamics, and communication. * 23:04 Typically 6-8 sessions a year. * 23:31 Supervisee brings an issue/topic to the session (not a set curriculum). * 24:24 Session involves debriefing, exploring, role-playing, and identifying the "next small step forward." * 25:54 Resources: * redsheep.com.au (Kurt and 14 other affiliated supervisors). * Kurt's Substack for his writings and reflections. * 26:32 Kurt's final thought: Pastoral supervision has been a key source of his growth, a space to receive ministry when pastors are often giving out. He strongly recommends it. * 27:02 Host encourages viewers to consider pastoral supervision. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit redsheepkurt.substack.com [https://redsheepkurt.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]
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