EP:11 The Person You Love Most Is Built to Trigger You the Most — Guest Rory Kilmartin

EP:11 The Person You Love Most Is Built to Trigger You the Most — Guest Rory Kilmartin

Two people meet. They're kind. They love each other. They wake up every morning genuinely wanting the best for one another. On paper, it should be Disney. So why do so many of them end up taking each other into a private hell? That question has consumed Rory Kilmartin for the better part of 40 years, and the answer he's spent two decades excavating is not the one you'll hear from most relationship coaches. It's darker, stranger, and — once you sit with it — far more useful. This is the episode that, as Paul puts it, this whole podcast wouldn't exist without. It was Rory who first connected Paul and George. The R in Rethink stands for relationships, and Paul has always said it belongs at the front of the framework for a reason — because almost everything else people chase, the money, the six-pack, the spiritual search, is usually an attempt to fill a void that started in a relationship. Rory is the man Paul went looking for after his eldest daughter was diagnosed with autism and he learned that parents in his situation divorce at a rate north of 85 percent. Rory's core idea is that the prime directive of human life isn't happiness — it's maturation. We're supposed to grow, and the mechanism that forces that growth is struggle, loss, and failure. Love is just the grease in the wheels. It bonds you to the one person guaranteed to surface every unresolved part of you. He reframes the "seven-year itch" not as boredom but as the moment two people can no longer hide their dysfunction from each other, and have to decide whether they're staying anyway. Then he gets into the framework that made George stop him mid-dinner and demand an introduction: the idea that there are four fundamentally different types of human operating systems, each splitting into two, and that we are invisibly, powerfully drawn to bond for life with our opposite. Not our match. Our opposite. Which is exactly why it's so hard, and exactly why it's supposed to be. The conversation doesn't stay safe. George pushes on the questions people actually lose sleep over: How do you know whether it's you that needs to grow, or whether you've married someone you should leave? Rory's answer — built around what he calls minimum acceptable awareness, the capacity to apologize and introspect — is one of the most practical things said in the whole two hours. They get into whether everyone's just going to end up in love with their AI (Rory thinks it's close to inevitable, and explains why), what the post-feminist dating landscape and Tinder-style apps are quietly doing to people, why Jordan Peterson's line about the loneliness waiting at 45 landed so hard, and the old Mormon idea Rory keeps returning to: you lift me and I'll lift thee, and we'll ascend together. He closes on the single word he lands on after 40 years and thousands of conversations, when people ask him what actually makes a relationship work. It isn't communication. It isn't respect. It's devotion — and his case for it is worth staying to the end for. If you've ever wondered why the people you love most are the ones who bring out the worst in you, this one rearranges something.

EP10: The Only Money Habit Everyone on Earth Has Mastered Is... Getting Rid of It

The week SpaceX went public and turned Elon into the world's first trillionaire, Paul and George started where everyone else did — but ended up somewhere almost nobody goes on a podcast. The first half is the news. Why the hate aimed at Elon has nothing to do with the money and everything to do with which team he picked. Why most of the outrage is bot-driven noise from people who don't understand the difference between having a trillion dollars and being worth a trillion dollars. And the uncomfortable observation underneath all of it: the people winning the media game aren't reacting to the news — they're three moves ahead, manipulating the media's manipulation of them, while everyone else stays predictably, profitably angry. George shares what he's building — a stem cell clinic going fully mobile, a new book written in a weekend, and a 2am conversation with his girlfriend where he admitted he feels like he's on a treadmill going nowhere despite doing everything "right." That confession turns into one of the more honest exchanges they've had about who actually benefits from the system the rest of us are grinding inside of. Paul also drops some news of his own: he's been invited to speak at the UN in July, the latest twist in what he calls an overnight success that started ten years ago. Then the back half opens up, and this is the part to stay for. Paul — a qualified financial advisor who once got challenged by a journalist asking what gave him the right to teach kids about money — lays out a theory he's been testing across 36 countries. His finding: the single most disciplined, automated financial habit human beings share, regardless of nationality or income, is spending money through direct debit. We systematize getting rid of our money better than we systematize anything else in our lives. Your whole financial plan, in advance, is a breakup plan for cash you haven't even earned yet. From there it's a full teardown of the language designed to keep you in debt (why it's a "credit" card and never a "debit score"), the difference between good debt and bad debt explained in one clean test, why the bank says yes to the loans that hurt you and no to the ones that would make you rich, and why middle-class parents recoiled from the financial-literacy program Paul built for children as if he were handing out the devil's work. The reason had nothing to do with the kids. It closes on something quieter and more useful: a conversation about digital detox, why both of them now guard their mornings and kill the screens at night, and the trap of late-night AI rabbit holes — where the only goal of the thing you're talking to is to keep you engaged, and you're fighting something smarter than you at the exact hour you're weakest. Plus Paul's four habits to start in the next 90 days, and the free Rethink Planner to track them. Download the free planner at rethinkhabits.com [https://rethinkhabits.com] Subscribe on Apple and Spotify. Full video on the Rethink and Grow Rich YouTube channel.

EP9: I'm in 20 Masterminds. Here's What Most People Get Wrong About All of Them

Paul thought he was in 12 or 13 masterminds. When he actually sat down and counted, it was 20. George's immediate response was to call for an intervention. But that number — and the reaction it gets — is actually the perfect entry point into a conversation most entrepreneurs never have honestly. What do masterminds actually do for you? What separates one worth $40,000 a year from a glorified seminar with a fancy name? And why do 60 to 70 percent of the things calling themselves masterminds have almost nothing in common with what a real one looks like? This episode is a full breakdown. George lays out his multi-million-dollar mastermind framework built from decades of running and attending them — including the hot seat structure borrowed and refined from Jeff Walker's Product Launch Formula group that most people run completely wrong. There's a reason the person in the hot seat isn't allowed to talk. There's a reason you need an advocate explaining your problem instead of you. And there's a reason twelve minutes, structured a very specific way, produces better results than an open-ended hour. Paul walks through what he's actually getting out of being in 20 groups simultaneously — from a $25,000 NFT mastermind to a WhatsApp group of speakers that grew out of a Clubhouse room during COVID to a South African safari with investors. The common thread across all of them isn't tactics. It's the moment you realize the person you looked up to has the same problems you do, and the person you underestimated knows something that just saved you six months. They also get into whether AI can replace a mastermind — and both land on the same answer, but for different reasons. George has been building out Claude with markdown files that function as a persistent memory system for his business. Paul's take is more blunt: AI will tell you your ideas are amazing. A room full of people who've already made the mistake you're about to make will not. Other topics covered: the "give, give, give, ask" formula that's stuck with George since the early days, why networking inside a mastermind will destroy it, the baby boomer business acquisition opportunity hiding in plain sight, how one $20,000 day of consulting turned into seven figures, why George went from 22 employees down to one — with AI handling the rest — and the real-time brainstorm about whether Paul and George should launch their own mastermind for entrepreneurs at the beginning of the journey. If you've ever wondered whether a mastermind is worth it, which kind is right for where you are, or how to actually implement what you learn instead of leaving with a notebook full of ideas you'll never touch — this is the episode. Subscribe on Apple and Spotify. Full video on the Rethink and Grow Rich YouTube channel.

EP8: You're Not Sick. You're Stuck. Dr. Doug Lehrer on the Hidden Root Cause of Almost Everything

Good one to work with — this episode goes deep into territory most podcasts won't touch, and that's exactly what makes it worth selling properly. Here's your title and description: TITLE: You're Not Sick. You're Stuck. Dr. Doug Lehrer on the Hidden Root Cause of Almost Everything DESCRIPTION: The man sitting across from George in this episode has spent 40 years and hundreds of thousands of sessions helping people heal things doctors told them were incurable. Not with medication. Not with surgery. Not with talk therapy. With something most people have never heard of — and once they hear it explained, can't stop thinking about. Dr. Doug Lehrer is the founder of Cellular Resonance, a quantum energy healing modality built on one core premise: almost every chronic illness, financial block, relationship pattern, and self-sabotaging behavior has a root cause buried somewhere in the body's cellular memory. Trauma — your own, your parents', your grandparents' — gets stored in the body at a level no conversation can reach. And until it's cleared from that level, it just keeps running the show. This is the Rethink podcast's first ever in-person guest interview, and it earns every minute of its two-hour runtime. Dr. Doug opens by talking about a man worth $300 million who was still living in survival mode — still chasing a number he believed would finally make him feel safe. That's the entry point into a conversation about why trauma isn't just what happened to you, it's what your nervous system is still reacting to decades later, often without you knowing it. The stress your mother carried during pregnancy. The financial collapse that wiped out your family three generations back. The boss who criticizes you the exact same way your mother did — because energetically, you've been advertising for that experience your entire life. He walks through the science — and there is science — behind how muscle testing works, why the body knows the difference between truth and a lie before the conscious mind does, and how he's able to ask the cells themselves what's causing the problem. He shares case after case that would be easy to dismiss as impossible until you hear the details. The woman with fibromyalgia whose symptoms dissolved in 15 minutes. The screenwriters who hadn't slept in days because they'd been writing since their session ended. The mother whose son had been giving her the middle finger twice a day for 25 years — and stopped forever after two and a half hours of work that never involved the son at all. There's a frank conversation about plant medicine — Dr. Doug's take is more nuanced and more critical than most people in this space are willing to say out loud. Same with biohacking technologies like HeartMath and Healy. If you've spent money on those, this part is worth paying attention to. Paul talks openly about his own weekly kinesiology practice, how he uses muscle testing daily to make decisions, and what it felt like the first time a session pinpointed the exact person and situation behind a physical symptom before he'd said a word about it. And running through the whole conversation is something that sounds simple but lands differently the more you sit with it: the root of almost all human suffering — physical, financial, relational — is fear. Not as a feeling you notice, but as a program running underneath everything you do. And it can be cleared. This one will stay with you. Learn more about Dr. Doug's work and his free Fear Clearing program at cellularresonance.com Subscribe on Apple and Spotify. Full video on the Rethink and Grow Rich YouTube channel.

EP7: The Body You've Been Working For Is Already There — You Just Need to Uncover It

Paul's been jogging every day for seven years. No sugar. No bread. No cheese. Cold showers for three and a half years. Gym every single day for a year and a half. And he still looked five months pregnant. That's not a joke — that's the before photo he showed George at a mastermind in Tampa, right before George said "who is that?" and Paul said "that's me." It's also the story that kicks off Episode 7, and it's the perfect entry point into a conversation about why almost everything you've been told about getting in shape is either wrong, incomplete, or conveniently leaving out the part that actually matters. Dave Shanahan has been in the health and fitness space for 31 years. He built a chain of gyms in Limerick, helped thousands of clients transform their bodies, and has lived what he teaches since the age of 17 — when a friend pestered him into setting foot inside a gym for the first and, as it turned out, last first time. He brings the kind of hard-won, science-backed, no-nonsense perspective that's genuinely rare in a space drowning in influencers, supplement ads, and programs designed to keep you coming back rather than getting results. In this episode, the three of them walk through the full Rethink Health framework — the two-week cleanse that strips out the toxin buildup most programs completely ignore, the fat burn phase that uncovers what you've actually built over the years, and the rebuild that turns your body into the metabolic machine it was designed to be. The part that surprises most people? As the program progresses, you end up eating more, not less. They also get into sleep — and Dave makes a case for why it's the most important variable of all, the one that quietly undermines everything else when it's wrong. There's a practical breakdown of the pre-sleep routine that puts him out within three pages of a book every single night, why your phone is the single biggest enemy of real rest, and what actually happens to your body when you finally fix it. Other topics include why the weighing scale is psychological torture for women and what to use instead, how to handle a big night out without undoing your progress, the truth about supplements (most of them are expensive urine), what to do when life throws a curveball and you fall off the plan, and why getting kids into exercise early is one of the most powerful gifts you can give them. George is down 16 pounds. Paul is walking around with a six-pack he earned — and kept. And Dave is 48 with testosterone levels most 25-year-olds would trade for. If your health has been the thing you keep meaning to sort out — this episode is the nudge. Book a $50 health consultation with Dave directly at rsm.one/health101 — he'll review where you're at and build you a plan, whether you join the program or not. Subscribe on Apple and Spotify. Full video on the Rethink and Grow Rich YouTube channel.