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Substack: The Designation is Not the Destination

17 min · 12 de mar de 2026
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Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2270091/fan_mail/new] What exactly do we mean when we call ourselves “healthcare providers”? “Healthcare provider” does not mean the same thing everywhere. Depending on the state, it might mean defined scope and enforceable accountability. It could relate to insurance participation. Maybe it means elevated liability standards. Worst case, it might mean mostly vibes. These variations aren’t trivial. Once the label of “healthcare provider” or “healthcare service” enters statute, it stops being branding and starts carrying weight. Or at least, it should. Across the United States, that weight is distributed unevenly. Support the show [https://healwell.org/donate] Subscribe to our Substack: "More Than Hands [https://healwellorg.substack.com/]" Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Leave us a voice message:  703-468-1799 [tel:7034681799] Check out our interview-style podcast: Interdisciplinary [https://interdisciplinary.healwell.org/] You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here [https://healwell.org/donate]! Ways join in: * Leave us a review on  Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interdisciplinary/id1545446717] * Check out Healwell’s live and online classes [http://www.healwell.org/courses] * Continue the conversation with a free 3-day trial of the Healwell Community [https://healwell-community.circle.so/checkout/healwell-community-membership] * Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" [https://us.singingdragon.com/products/oncology-massage] Thank you to ABMP [http://www.abmp.com/]and AMTA [http://amtamassage.org] for sponsoring us! Healwell is a 501(c)(3) non-profit based out of the Washington DC area.  Check us out at www.healwell.org  [https://www.healwell.org]

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Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2270091/fan_mail/new] The next two articles will only be available for our Substack members, and will not be posted to this podcast. To subscribe to the Substack and receive the articles and audio to your email, click here. [https://healwellorg.substack.com/] I spend many of my days lost in thought. It isn’t unusual for me to lose track of a conversation because a stray idea occurred to me.  Sometimes I get overwhelmed when I read a paper or a book or listen to conversations. It feels like a waterfall of ideas comes crashing down in my head, and my senses fritz as my brain frantically tries to create a cascade of new neural connections in a single moment before the revelations slip away. The thoughts that consume me are about my intellectual project, and I think it is time to let you in on it. Here is the question that hijacks my days: > Why does massage therapy– a profession that does profound human-centered work– remain undervalued, misunderstood, and mistreated; both internally and externally? Support the show [https://healwell.org/donate] Subscribe to our Substack: "More Than Hands [https://healwellorg.substack.com/]" Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Leave us a voice message:  703-468-1799 [tel:7034681799] Check out our interview-style podcast: Interdisciplinary [https://interdisciplinary.healwell.org/] You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here [https://healwell.org/donate]! Ways join in: * Leave us a review on  Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interdisciplinary/id1545446717] * Check out Healwell’s live and online classes [http://www.healwell.org/courses] * Continue the conversation with a free 3-day trial of the Healwell Community [https://healwell-community.circle.so/checkout/healwell-community-membership] * Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" [https://us.singingdragon.com/products/oncology-massage] Thank you to ABMP [http://www.abmp.com/]and AMTA [http://amtamassage.org] for sponsoring us! Healwell is a 501(c)(3) non-profit based out of the Washington DC area.  Check us out at www.healwell.org  [https://www.healwell.org]

4 de jun de 20267 min
episode Substack: Are We At the Table, Or On the Menu? artwork

Substack: Are We At the Table, Or On the Menu?

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2270091/fan_mail/new] Read the article here [https://open.substack.com/pub/healwellorg/p/are-we-at-the-table-or-on-the-menu?r=5lj97b&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true] There are many massage therapists who have worked incredibly hard to open doors in clinical settings. We have spent decades building trust, demonstrating value, and carving out space for our work in environments that didn’t initially (and often still don’t) understand or welcome us as practitioners of a uniquely valuable discipline. That pioneering work has created real impact for patients and laid groundwork that others have built on. And somewhere along the way, I think we started accepting terms that don’t fully honor what we can contribute or who we are. Support the show [https://healwell.org/donate] Subscribe to our Substack: "More Than Hands [https://healwellorg.substack.com/]" Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Leave us a voice message:  703-468-1799 [tel:7034681799] Check out our interview-style podcast: Interdisciplinary [https://interdisciplinary.healwell.org/] You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here [https://healwell.org/donate]! Ways join in: * Leave us a review on  Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interdisciplinary/id1545446717] * Check out Healwell’s live and online classes [http://www.healwell.org/courses] * Continue the conversation with a free 3-day trial of the Healwell Community [https://healwell-community.circle.so/checkout/healwell-community-membership] * Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" [https://us.singingdragon.com/products/oncology-massage] Thank you to ABMP [http://www.abmp.com/]and AMTA [http://amtamassage.org] for sponsoring us! Healwell is a 501(c)(3) non-profit based out of the Washington DC area.  Check us out at www.healwell.org  [https://www.healwell.org]

14 de may de 202614 min
episode Substack: Wishes, Surveys, and Ken Burns artwork

Substack: Wishes, Surveys, and Ken Burns

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2270091/fan_mail/new] Read the original article here [https://open.substack.com/pub/healwellorg/p/wishes-surveys-and-ken-burns?r=5lj97b&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true] There’s no way for the associations to know our wishes if we don’t say them out loud. If we want the power to come from the bottom of the pyramid, we have to accept responsibility and ownership of that power. That doesn’t mean saying “I demand you fix my problem” it means saying “I need this specific thing from you in order to fix this problem.” Links: Articles where we describe problems can be found here: The Price of Free [https://healwellorg.substack.com/p/the-price-of-free], Massage Therapy Has a Labor Problem [https://healwellorg.substack.com/p/massage-therapy-has-a-labor-problem], The Secret Health Crisis of Massage Therapists [https://healwellorg.substack.com/p/the-secret-health-crisis-of-massage], Why Massage Therapy Needs a Divorce, Not Another Debate [https://healwellorg.substack.com/p/why-massage-therapy-needs-a-divorce] ...a special combination of skills that few people have. (Luckily, we have one. [https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=T-lgyJcAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao]) Support the show [https://healwell.org/donate] Subscribe to our Substack: "More Than Hands [https://healwellorg.substack.com/]" Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Leave us a voice message:  703-468-1799 [tel:7034681799] Check out our interview-style podcast: Interdisciplinary [https://interdisciplinary.healwell.org/] You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here [https://healwell.org/donate]! Ways join in: * Leave us a review on  Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interdisciplinary/id1545446717] * Check out Healwell’s live and online classes [http://www.healwell.org/courses] * Continue the conversation with a free 3-day trial of the Healwell Community [https://healwell-community.circle.so/checkout/healwell-community-membership] * Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" [https://us.singingdragon.com/products/oncology-massage] Thank you to ABMP [http://www.abmp.com/]and AMTA [http://amtamassage.org] for sponsoring us! Healwell is a 501(c)(3) non-profit based out of the Washington DC area.  Check us out at www.healwell.org  [https://www.healwell.org]

9 de abr de 202610 min
episode Substack: The Designation is Not the Destination artwork

Substack: The Designation is Not the Destination

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2270091/fan_mail/new] What exactly do we mean when we call ourselves “healthcare providers”? “Healthcare provider” does not mean the same thing everywhere. Depending on the state, it might mean defined scope and enforceable accountability. It could relate to insurance participation. Maybe it means elevated liability standards. Worst case, it might mean mostly vibes. These variations aren’t trivial. Once the label of “healthcare provider” or “healthcare service” enters statute, it stops being branding and starts carrying weight. Or at least, it should. Across the United States, that weight is distributed unevenly. Support the show [https://healwell.org/donate] Subscribe to our Substack: "More Than Hands [https://healwellorg.substack.com/]" Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Leave us a voice message:  703-468-1799 [tel:7034681799] Check out our interview-style podcast: Interdisciplinary [https://interdisciplinary.healwell.org/] You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here [https://healwell.org/donate]! Ways join in: * Leave us a review on  Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interdisciplinary/id1545446717] * Check out Healwell’s live and online classes [http://www.healwell.org/courses] * Continue the conversation with a free 3-day trial of the Healwell Community [https://healwell-community.circle.so/checkout/healwell-community-membership] * Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" [https://us.singingdragon.com/products/oncology-massage] Thank you to ABMP [http://www.abmp.com/]and AMTA [http://amtamassage.org] for sponsoring us! Healwell is a 501(c)(3) non-profit based out of the Washington DC area.  Check us out at www.healwell.org  [https://www.healwell.org]

12 de mar de 202617 min
episode Substack: Why Massage Therapy Needs a Divorce, Not Another Debate artwork

Substack: Why Massage Therapy Needs a Divorce, Not Another Debate

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2270091/fan_mail/new] It’s Time to Stop Going to Aunt Tricia’s This article is a companion to this one written by Corey [https://open.substack.com/pub/healwellorg/p/massage-isnt-complicated-its-complex?r=5lj97b&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true]. These articles represent each author's independent perspective, and were written without our usual collaborative input. We are super excited about them.  Every technical debate in massage therapy is displacement activity. Every. Single. One. We argue about measurement systems (clock hours vs. credit hours), terminology (but we call it taxonomy… all fancy-like). Is it bodywork or is it massage? And don’t get me started about how our knickers twist when it comes to credentialing language. We have online arguments that last longer than some people’s actual training programs. All of this “activity” allows us to keep evading the fundamental questions: What does this field want to be? And what will we do when we realize that, perhaps, it’s a field that actually contains more than one distinct pathway? Read the original article here.  [https://open.substack.com/pub/healwellorg/p/why-massage-therapy-needs-a-divorce?r=5lj97b&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true] Support the show [https://healwell.org/donate] Subscribe to our Substack: "More Than Hands [https://healwellorg.substack.com/]" Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Leave us a voice message:  703-468-1799 [tel:7034681799] Check out our interview-style podcast: Interdisciplinary [https://interdisciplinary.healwell.org/] You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here [https://healwell.org/donate]! Ways join in: * Leave us a review on  Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interdisciplinary/id1545446717] * Check out Healwell’s live and online classes [http://www.healwell.org/courses] * Continue the conversation with a free 3-day trial of the Healwell Community [https://healwell-community.circle.so/checkout/healwell-community-membership] * Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" [https://us.singingdragon.com/products/oncology-massage] Thank you to ABMP [http://www.abmp.com/]and AMTA [http://amtamassage.org] for sponsoring us! Healwell is a 501(c)(3) non-profit based out of the Washington DC area.  Check us out at www.healwell.org  [https://www.healwell.org]

5 de feb de 202619 min