The Saved for Later Podcast
Send us a text [https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2437144/open_sms] What should a real pastor look like? In this episode, I sit down with my own pastor, Jared Verwiel of Tulsa Bible Church, to cut through the spiritual posturing and power games that infect far too many pulpits. We talk real ministry — not performance, not personality cults, and definitely not spiritual manipulation. Just biblical shepherding. This conversation isn’t theory. It’s raw insight from someone in the trenches — and a reminder that not every church is a circus. Some pastors still preach the Word and carry the weight of souls with reverent fear. 🔹 Topics include: – Spiritual abuse and church hurt – The human side of pastoral ministry – What shepherding really means – Why non-denominational doesn’t mean unaccountable – When church leadership goes toxic 📖 Key Scriptures: 1 Peter 5:2–3 – “Shepherd the flock of God that is among you… not domineering over those in your charge.” John 10:11 – “I am the good shepherd…” 00:00 Introduction and Upcoming Sermon 00:31 Welcome to The Saved For Later Podcast 00:40 Finding a New Church 00:59 Interview with Pastor Jared Verwiel 06:13 Pastoral Ministry and Responsibilities 07:43 Non-Denominational Church Dynamics 12:35 Handling Church Conflicts 23:25 Sunday Sermon Preparation 35:55 Navigating Multiple Teaching Pastors 36:15 The Pastor's Testimony 37:41 Discovering Faith in College 41:49 Journey to Ministry 45:29 Seminary Experience and Education 50:00 The Importance of Church Community 57:12 Unity in the Church 01:07:52 The Call to Pastoral Ministry 01:13:02 Final Thoughts and Farewell 🔗 Visit my Website: www.savedforlater.org [http://www.savedforlater.org] 💬 Leave a comment or review 📤 Share this episode with someone who needs it 🎧 Watch or listen to the Saved for Later Podcast on all podcast platforms Follow me on: YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@savedforlaterpodcast Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/kindall21/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/brianmichaelkindall/ Blog - https://www.savedforlater.org
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