The Wise Ones Podcast Eps. 6 @shawmakesmagic Creator of @elizaOS | $MILADY.AI $ELIZAOK

The Wise Ones Podcast Eps. 7 - @PopPunkOnChain, Founder of $PUMPCADE Prediction Market on Solana

We present to you the seventh episode of The Wise Ones Podcast. Pop is back. This is his second time sitting down with The Wise Ones, and if you thought Episode 4 told the full story, you weren't even close. Six months ago, $PUMPCADE was pre-product. A gaming concept with a token and a community that believed before there was anything to believe in. Pop was building alone, shipping every feature, every screen, every line of code by himself with no team, no salary, and no guarantee any of it would work. What $PUMPCADE has become since then looks nothing like what it started as. The product evolved. The vision sharpened. And along the way, Pop's community did something so unprecedented it might be the most powerful moment in this entire interview. This conversation is the rawest founder story we've ever recorded. Pop holds nothing back about what it took to get here, what almost broke him, and why he's never been more locked in than he is right now. If you hold $PUMPCADE, build on @Pumpfun, or want to understand what it actually looks like to build a real company from a token launch, this is the interview. In this conversation, we explore: The transformation: What $PUMPCADE has become and why it looks nothing like the product Pop described in Episode 4. The solo founder grind: What it actually costs to build every single feature alone for six months without paying yourself a dime from creator fees. The conversation with his wife: The moment she told him to consider getting a job if this doesn't work out, and why his answer reveals everything about who Pop is as a builder. Building in public: Why launching the token before the product existed was the smartest move he made, and why he'd do it again without hesitation. The community moment: What the $PUMPCADE army did when Pop needed support for the biggest opportunity of his career. Nobody asked them to. They just showed up. Why Pump Fun is the best incubator in crypto: Pop doesn't hold back on his endorsement of @Pumpfun and breaks down why he believes there's no better place for a builder to launch a project and get real support. AI native development: How tools like Claude Code allowed a backend and smart contract engineer to ship an entire front-end product solo, and what that means for the next generation of builders. The new team: Who Pop brought on, where they came from, and why he believes he now has one of the strongest engineering teams in the industry.  @gnarzilla @steoniy   The shift to wartime CEO: How Pop went from writing every line of code to managing a team, running a roadmap, and thinking about $PUMPCADE at a level the project now demands. The VC problem: Why raising venture capital with a live token is still broken, how the model is being forced to change with, and what Pop thinks replaces it. The agent layer: How $PUMPCADE already supports AI agents creating markets, placing trades, and claiming winnings the same way a human can. Locked in from day one: The  @Wisemenmentors community were among the earliest investors in $PUMPCADE. Six months later, nothing has changed. This interview is a reflection of that conviction. What's next: Where $PUMPCADE is headed and why Pop has never been more confident about what's coming. This is the unfiltered story of a builder who bet everything on himself, built in public when it would have been easier to quit, and earned the kind of community loyalty that money can't buy. No hype. Just building in public and letting the work speak. We hope you enjoy. @PopPunkOnChain @pumpcade @Pumpfun @a1lon9 @pumpspotlight @solana @toly @rajgokal @blknoiz06 About The Wise Ones: The Wise Ones Podcast sits down with the builders and strategists shaping crypto's future before the mainstream catches on.

The Wise Ones Podcast Eps. 6 @shawmakesmagic Creator of @elizaOS | $MILADY.AI $ELIZAOK

For this episode, we're sitting down with  @shawmakesmagic. Fifteen years of building. Self taught out of San Francisco when the cypherpunk movement was still breathing and Silicon Valley was rewriting the rules of every industry on the planet. No formal training. No shortcuts. Shaw built ElizaOS, the AI agent framework that powered thousands of agents across Solana and became one of the most forked repositories in crypto history. 109,000 of you read the Shaw thesis. You made it the biggest article Wisemen has ever put out. Now the forgotten architect speaks for himself. You know how Wisemen operates. When we sit down with someone, it's not surface level. This is 75 minutes of the kind of conversation most podcasts will never get. Not just about the projects. About the mind behind them. How Shaw thinks. How he connects with crypto at its deepest level. How a developer who barely had the money to buy into his own token watched that position reach $25 million at an all time high, then rode it all the way down to $120K without selling a single coin. If you want to understand not just $MILADY.AI and $ELIZAOK, but the brilliant mind building them, this is where you start. In this conversation, we explore: - The real AI16Z origin: The DMT experience the night before launch. The ego death. The walk to meet the creator of Daosfun and the two words that sparked a billion-dollar ecosystem. None of this has been told at this depth before. - The $75 million betrayal: A co-founder who never wrote a single line of code deleted Shaw from the repo, sold the project, forged documents, and walked away rich. Shaw went into debt. Moved home. Then built Eliza. - From broke to $25 million to $120K: Shaw could barely afford to buy into his own token. A community member who believed in the project donated a massive share of supply to the team. That position reached $25 million at all time high prices. Then it fell to $120K. Shaw never sold a coin. What that journey actually does to a person and why he calls it both his greatest badge of honor and his biggest regret. - The layer one debate: Shaw gives his unfiltered take on @solana, @ethereum, and @binance Chain. Where the volume is. Where the builders are. Where it's all headed. No allegiances. Just a developer breaking down what he sees from the inside. - Creator fees and the new funding model: Shaw breaks down how he's using creator fees from Bags to employ developers and fund the entire build around his vision. No VCs. No raises. Just trading volume converting directly into the team that's writing the code. - $Milady.AI and $ElizaOK: Shaw goes into detail about exactly what he's building, how the developer network around him works, and the bigger vision behind the technology. We asked him directly if he believed Milady AI could become his biggest project ever. His answer is going to surprise you. - The culture war breaking crypto: Traders vs holders. Why Shaw believes the toxicity and rotation culture are killing the space from the inside. And what actually needs to change. - The message to builders: Shaw's words to every developer who lost money, lost hope, and is questioning whether any of this is worth it. This is the unfiltered story of one of the greatest AI builders on the Solana blockchain. A developer who did it at the highest level possible got completely counted out and became known as the forgotten architect. But he never stopped writing code. No hype. No script. Just the forgotten architect in his own words. We hope you enjoy. About The Wise Ones 👁️ The Wise Ones Podcast sits down with the builders and strategists shaping crypto's future before the mainstream catches on.

The Wise Ones Podcast Eps. 5 - @SerjKorj, Founder of $DEPLAY | AI and Blockchain Developer

We present to you the fifth episode of The Wise Ones Podcast. Hosted by @Wisemenmentors [https://x.com/Wisemenmentors] For this episode, we're sitting down with Serj, the founder of $DEPLAY [https://x.com/search?q=%24DEPLAY&src=cashtag_click] | @deplaydotfun [https://x.com/deplaydotfun]  the first music prediction market built on Solana and a builder who walked away from licensing deals with Apple and Samsung to bet everything on crypto. Serj | @SerjKorj [https://x.com/SerjKorj] spent years building AI technology in Palo Alto, licensing it to the biggest smartphone manufacturers on the planet. He bumped into Tim Cook at a Whole Foods, pitched him for 15 minutes, and three hours later had three Apple VPs at his showroom. Tim Cook gave him his personal email and one piece of advice: "I read all emails, but only once." His previous @solana [https://x.com/solana] project hit hundreds of millions in market cap. Multiple hackathon wins. Followed by Toly, Raj, Austin Federa, Vibhu, and the entire Solana ecosystem. He earned every follow through years of building and shipping. Now he's focused on one mission: bring the next billion users on chain through music and play. In this conversation, we explore: - The Tim Cook |  @tim_cook [https://x.com/tim_cook] moment: How a Whole Foods conversation led to Apple VPs at his door, and the one sentence that shaped how he approaches everything. - The streaming mafia problem: 99% of artists earn zero from streaming. $DEPLAY [https://x.com/search?q=%24DEPLAY&src=cashtag_click] is breaking that system. - How $DEPLAY [https://x.com/search?q=%24DEPLAY&src=cashtag_click] works: Artists upload tracks, prediction markets auto-create for each song. Fans predict if it hits top 10, top 3, etc. Artists earn a cut of every prediction in real time via smart contracts. - 5-10x more per stream: Artists earn five to ten times more than Spotify paid instantly to their wallet, not months later in a PDF. - Everything on chain: Every play tokenized on Solana. All data transparent and verifiable. No black boxes. No manipulation. - The onboarding breakthrough: No seed phrases, no wallet setup. Users play first, discover crypto second. - Telegram Stars: 900 million users can predict using in app credits. Win real crypto. Zero friction. They don't even know they're using Solana. - The Seeker phone play: Native lock screen integration. Raj called it out specifically. This is what Solana Mobile is betting on. - The flywheel: Every artist brings their fans. 1,000 artists with 1,000 fans each is a million new Solana wallets. That's how you scale adoption. - Nearly 1,000 artists onboarded: Organic growth. No paid marketing. Just a product that works. - The 2030 vision: One billion users onboarded through gamified crypto experiences. Not through tutorials through play. This is a founder who's been building since 2014, already took a project to hundreds of millions in MC, and is now going after the biggest target in crypto: real consumer adoption at scale. We hope you enjoy. @SerjKorj [https://x.com/SerjKorj] | $DEPLAY [https://x.com/search?q=%24DEPLAY&src=cashtag_click]  @deplaydotfun [https://x.com/deplaydotfun]  @solanamobile [https://x.com/solanamobile] @toly [https://x.com/toly]  @rajgokal [https://x.com/rajgokal] @Austin_Federa [https://x.com/Austin_Federa] @vibhu [https://x.com/vibhu] @SolanaFndn [https://x.com/SolanaFndn] About The Wise Ones: The Wise Ones Podcast sits down with the builders and strategists shaping crypto's future before the mainstream catches on.

The Wise Ones Podcast Eps. 4 with @PopPunkOnChain of $PUMPCADE | @pumpcade

We present to you the fourth episode of The Wise Ones Podcast. Hosted by  @Wisemenmentors [https://x.com/Wisemenmentors] For this episode, we're sitting down with @PopPunkOnChain [https://x.com/PopPunkOnChain], the Ethereum legend who walked away from institutional money to launch what looked like a gaming token on Pumpdotfun, which later developed into building infrastructure to reimagine every streaming platform on the internet. Pop spent years optimizing smart contracts for the biggest protocols in DeFi LayerZero, SushiSwap, Radiant Capital. His code runs in the systems you use every single day. He had the venture backing, the institutional salary, the credibility that opens every door in crypto. Then he quietly launched a token with zero announcements, and gave the community the chance to buy supply, knowing exactly what was coming next. But what most people don't know is why he made that decision - and what he's actually building. This isn't your typical founder interview. PopPunk reveals the full story of leaving his high-paying job with a three-month-old son at home, the decision to give the community first access instead of stacking bags himself, and how $70K in creator fees with zero team is funding a business that could change how every live stream works. If you hold $PUMPCADE [https://x.com/search?q=%24PUMPCADE&src=cashtag_click], build on @pumpdotfun, or want to understand what separates legitimate ICM projects from pump-and-dump schemes, this conversation is essential. In this conversation, we explore: - The walk-away moment: Why he left institutional money and venture-backed startups to build on  http://Pump.fun [https://t.co/SWfA5AEzLn] and what convinced him to go all-in with a newborn at home. - The stealth launch strategy: How he intentionally didn't buy supply before V2 dropped, even knowing it would 100x, because he wanted the community to become early investors. - The evolution from V1 to V3: How arcade games became embedded wallets, then prediction markets, and why each version unlocked the next level of scale. - "Trenchifying" prediction markets: Why fast-paced betting (minutes vs 24+ hours) is what Solana actually wants and how it's fundamentally different from Polymarket's approach. - The streamer token problem: Why 99% of stream tokens die after day one and how embedded betting utility solves it by giving creators sustainable revenue. - Creator fee economics: How $70K with no team is funding a real ICM business and why this revenue model scales when others fail. - The Pumpfun relationship: Getting into group chats with the team, why they support real builders, and what's coming with tournament sponsors. - The ICM antithesis: Why $PUMPCADE [https://x.com/search?q=%24PUMPCADE&src=cashtag_click] is the reverse of every failed launchpad that raises $20M then disappoints, and why building in reverse actually works. - The vision beyond gaming: Where this goes when you're building infrastructure for all live media - Twitch, Kick, YouTube, live sports, anywhere there's a chat box. No hype. No promises. Just building in public and letting the work speak. We hope you enjoy. @PopPunkOnChain [https://x.com/PopPunkOnChain] @pumpcade [https://x.com/pumpcade] @pumpfun [https://x.com/pumpfun] @a1lon9 [https://x.com/a1lon9] @pumpspotlight [https://x.com/pumpspotlight] About The Wise Ones: The Wise Ones Podcast sits down with the builders and strategists shaping crypto's future before the mainstream catches on.

The Wise Ones: Eps. 003 - Grizz | @grizzle_art, Creator of #TRENCHER Meme and PumpFun Partner Artist

We present to you the third episode of The Wise Ones Podcast. Hosted by the @Wisemenmentors [https://x.com/Wisemenmentors] For this episode, we're sitting down with Grizz, the artist behind #TRENCHER [https://x.com/hashtag/TRENCHER?src=hashtag_click] who woke up with one SOL in her wallet and her art stolen then made a decision that changed creator economics forever. Grizz started as a crisis counselor, navigating people through their darkest moments before finding her way back to art through crypto. Today, she's one of only three artists with an official @pumpdotfun partnership, she's produced over 600 pieces of art with zero team, and Trencher has one of the highest liquidity ratios in the Solana ecosystem. But what most people don't know is the full story of how she got here. This isn't your typical crypto art interview. Grizz doesn't do many long-form conversations, and when she does, she doesn't usually tell the complete story. This time she did. In this hour-long sitdown, she reveals the chaos of waking up to thousands of messages, the impossible choice between guaranteed money and momentum, and how she worked with @pumpfun and @wirelyss [https://x.com/wirelyss]  to create the creator fee system every artist uses today. If you hold Trencher, create on @pumpfun, or want to understand what separates artists building lasting brands from short-term exits, this conversation is essential. In this conversation, we explore: - The 6 AM moment when Grizz discovered her art was stolen, tokenized, and going viral and why she chose the runner that gave her nothing over the tokens offering 70% supply. - How one conversation with the  http://Pump.fun [https://t.co/SWfA5AEzLn] team alongside Wireless created the creator fee model that now powers every artist on the platform. - Her partnership with @pumpdotfun and @a1lon9 [https://x.com/a1lon9] the relationship that helped pioneer a creator-centric approach for the entire platform. - The liquidity strategy that keeps Trencher stable when everything else crashes - and why it has ratios that rival coins over a year old. - What it's really like being the only woman with a token on a major exchange and the challenges nobody talks about. - How she executes weekly streams, animated series, and partnerships with @opensea [https://x.com/opensea], @bitget [https://x.com/bitget], @moonshot [https://x.com/moonshot], and @ourbit [https://x.com/ourbit] completely solo. - Why she lifts up the entire Pumpfolio instead of protecting her own bags and why collaboration beats competition. - The vision for taking Trencher beyond crypto and building something that outlasts the cycle. - What she learned about trusting intuition when everyone's giving different advice/ This is the unfiltered story of an artist who chose conviction over capital with one SOL to her name and built the system that changed the game for everyone who came after. No fluff. No PR spin. Just the real decisions, the real strategy, and the real vision. We hope you enjoy. @grizzle_art [https://x.com/grizzle_art] @Trencher_Sol [https://x.com/Trencher_Sol] @pumpfun @wirelyss [https://x.com/wirelyss]   About The Wise Ones: The Wise Ones Podcast sits down with the builders and strategists shaping crypto's future before the mainstream catches on.