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Value Recognition: The Foundation for Stronger, More Empowered Women Leaders

31 min · 6 de may de 2026
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In this riveting episode of Thriving in the Messy Middle, host Amy P. Wilkins invites Joh Morris Benichou, a powerhouse in personal transformation, to share her insights and experiences. Joh, CEO of Sensory Leadership, reflects on her transformative journey from losing her job and visa to becoming a prominent leadership coach. They discuss the inevitable messiness of life's transitions and how to navigate them with grace and resilience. Amy and Joh delve into the importance of trusting one's instincts and recognizing personal power, especially for women leaders who often juggle multiple responsibilities and societal expectations. Joh recounts a deeply personal and challenging period in her life that emphasized the importance of listening to her intuition and believing in her worth. Through Joh's story, the episode emphasizes that transformation doesn't happen in solitude but through community, resources, and self-awareness. As the conversation unfolds, Amy and Joh explore the value of guidance, the often hidden narratives of women's ambition, and the shift needed in corporate culture to truly honor women's multifaceted roles and potential leadership contributions. Key Takeaways * Trust Your Instincts: Joh emphasizes the power of listening to one's inner voice, especially during uncertain phases of life. * Value Yourself: Recognizing personal worth is crucial for women to step into leadership roles and invest in their development. * Community and Support: Transformation is communal; leaning on others and seeking guidance are vital steps toward personal growth. * Courage to Evolve: Moving forward through messy transitions requires courage and openness to see and improve upon our perceived limitations. * Corporate Culture Shift: A discussion on how the corporate world must adjust its metrics to better appreciate women's true contributions and challenges. Joh Morris Benichou Quotes Most people meet you once you have succeeded. They don't see you before the success.I was a woman on a mission. I just didn't know what the mission was.Thriving isn't about having it all figured out. It's about learning how to grow, lead, and move forward, even when things feel messy.Women only take themselves on when they realize that they are of value.You have the full range of being available. You just haven't accessed the full range.It took me a lot of courage to be an entrepreneur. Mentioned in this EpisodeWomen in the Workplace: McKinsey and Lean In Report [https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/our-insights/women-in-the-workplace] (discussed in relation to women's leadership and ambition) About Joh Morris Benichou Joh Morris Benichou [https://www.withjoh.com/about] is a leadership activation speaker [https://www.speakingwithjoh.com/] and the founder of With Joh [https://www.withjoh.com/], where she works with executives, founders, and organizations to transform how leaders sustain performance under pressure. With over 30 years of experience and having worked with more than 50,000 leaders globally, Joh is known for creating powerful in-the-room shifts that restore clarity, energy, and presence. Trained directly by Werner Erhard, Joh spent years leading large-scale transformational programs before evolving her own methodology, Sensory Leadership—a practice that goes beyond mindset and strategy to fundamentally change how leaders experience themselves in high-stakes environments. Today, she works directly with executives, leads leadership activations, executive immersions, and private retreats, and is the creator of Tirtha [https://www.experiencetirtha.com/], a global community for women in leadership. Her work focuses on helping high-performing leaders sustain results without burnout and lead with greater impact, resilience, and authenticity. Joh's Website [https://www.withjoh.com/] Experience Tirtha [https://www.experiencetirtha.com/] Joh Morris Benichou [https://www.linkedin.com/in/joh-morris-31036622/] LinkedIn Profile

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Design Your Future with the Big Life Blueprint

In this episode of Thriving in the Messy Middle, host Amy P Wilkins delves into the power of celebrating achievements and shifting perspectives with the Big Life Blueprint, a life design tool focused on clarity, growth, and impact. Amy emphasizes the importance of acknowledging what has been accomplished as a foundation for future aspirations. Her philosophy champions moving away from a deficiency mindset and focusing instead on one's current capabilities and accomplishments. Throughout the episode, Amy highlights the significance of shifting perspectives from mere goal acquisition to cultivating experiences, impact, and meaning across all areas of life. This mindset shift underpins the Big Life Blueprint, which begins with a "Celebration Audit" that encourages individuals to look at their lives as a whole rather than at siloed achievements. Additionally, Amy discusses the process of writing a letter from one's future self, exploring personal growth, and choosing how to support oneself in times of stress. This holistic approach ensures that personal development extends beyond professional benchmarks and fosters a rich, purposeful existence. Explore how identifying your true priorities, writing letters from your future self, and recognizing personal patterns can help shape a meaningful future. Connect with Amy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amypwilkins/] for more insights into thriving in transitional periods. Key Takeaways * The Big Life Blueprint is not a simple goal-setting or productivity tool but a comprehensive life-design process focusing on meaningful growth and possibility. * Acknowledging past achievements is crucial for building a strong foundation for future aspirations, steering away from a mindset of lack and deficiency. * The practice of writing a letter from your future self helps translate abstract visions into tangible and achievable goals, emphasizing experience over acquisitions. * Amy stresses the need to explore who we need to be to achieve goals, rather than merely listing tasks, to foster true personal transformation. * By understanding our patterns and support mechanisms, we can anticipate and navigate life's challenges, maintaining momentum toward our envisioned futures. Quotes The future we create is heavily influenced by the lens we use to see the present.Celebration isn't the destination. It's the launch pad. Looking back isn't about staying there.Goals don't create futures. People do.The Big Life Blueprint isn't about fixing yourself. It's about seeing clearly and creating from possibility.How you show up shapes what becomes possible.Everything is connected, which means if we're going to create a meaningful future, we need to look at the whole picture.The messy middle has a way of shrinking our field of vision.Celebration isn't about pretending everything is wonderful. It is about accurately reflecting your achievements, both big and small.Meaningful futures aren't built in one category. They're built across the full landscape of our lives.The Big Life Blueprint isn't just about creating what comes next. It's about discovering what matters enough to make sure it does. Mentioned in this EpisodeTake the Messy Middle Archetype Assessment™ [https://chooseawe.scoreapp.com/] Amy P Wilkins LinkedIn Profile [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amypwilkins/]

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Escaping Toxic Productivity: How to Design a More Intentional Life

In this episode of Thriving in the Messy Middle, host Amy P Wilkins converses with Jean Batthany, a groundbreaking thinker in regenerative creativity. Jean shares her journey from corporate success to personal challenges, including the loss of a job and a family member, which prompted a life-changing pause. Jean shares her exceptional journey from being a Chief Creative Officer to embarking on a path of introspection and growth. Jean's story is a beacon for anyone grappling with the challenges of constant productivity pressures. Tune in to discover how pausing isn't a moment of inefficiency but a critical element in nurturing creativity and fostering effective leadership. Listen in as Jean reveals the transformative power of taking deliberate pauses to harness creativity and restore well-being. Key Takeaways * The Art of Pause: Taking intentional pauses can restore creativity and foster productivity rather than deplete it. * Shifting Paradigms: Toxic productivity and constant hustle are not sustainable; regenerative creativity offers a fulfilling alternative. * Impact of Life Events: Transformative personal experiences can provoke profound career and lifestyle shifts. * Micro Pauses: Incorporating small, consistent pauses throughout the day helps reduce stress and improve cognitive function. * Systemic Change: Creating cultures of safety and collaboration is vital for unleashing human creativity and potential. Jean Batthany Quotes Pause isn't just a woo-woo personal indulgence. It's a proven way to reduce chronic stress and perform actually better.Are we creating cultures where ideas and people can truly thrive?When you take a step back, you notice what wasn't working and pave the pathway to regenerative creativity.We're human beings, not human doings.The world and the industry need creativity and human ingenuity more than ever. That's our superpower: return to human.It sounds so cliché, but you cannot pour from an empty cup. You cannot take care of others when you're at a deficit. Mentioned in this EpisodeJean's LinkedIn post: I'm not going anywhere." [https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6995999248764874752/] Jean's TEDx Talk: The Art of the Pause [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc1e4IUm3Tw] About Jean Batthany, Founder / Chief Creative Officer, The Art of the Pause [https://www.artofthepause.org/] Honored as one of Business Insider's 30 Most Creative Women in Advertising, Jean Batthany [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanbatthany/] is ruthlessly committed to creating impact. She is the founder of Art of the Pause [https://www.artofthepause.org/] and a pioneer of Regenerative Creativity. After 30 years in the business of creativity, Jean has created a new operating system and the conditions for ideas to flow with abundance vs being extracted through fear and scarcity. She has spoken at TEDx, Cannes Lions Festival of Creativity, and NASA JPL. As Walmart's first Chief Creative Officer, she led their evolution from a transactional company to an emotional brand. As VP, Global Creative at Disney, Jean transformed the in- house team into an award-winning integrated agency. She grew up making and leading creative agency side at DDB, Merkley + Partners, M+C Saatchi, BBDO, Saatchi, and is currently a fractional CCO, collaborating with mission-driven brands to win hearts, minds, spirits, and wallets. Jean Batthany LinkedIn Profile [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanbatthany/] Jean's websites: Art of the Pause [https://www.artofthepause.org/] and Jean Batthany Creative [https://www.jeanbatthanycreative.com/] Jean's TEDx Talk [https://youtu.be/lc1e4IUm3Tw?si=Fg1IIT9MNXJ7jjQY]

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Behind the Scenes: How Messy Moments Make Strong Leaders

In this Messy Middle Moment, host Amy P Wilkins delves into the importance of authenticity and transparency as a leader. Amy candidly shares a personal story about a challenging day that serves to highlight the pressures leaders face to appear perfect, and how showing vulnerability can positively impact workplace culture. She reflects on how leaders inadvertently model behaviors that either empower or inhibit their teams. This episode provides a safe space for women leaders to glean insights into effectively navigating life's uncertainties without losing their core identity. Throughout the episode, Amy emphasizes that true leadership is not about maintaining a perfect exterior but about being real and relatable. Amy uses her own experiences to unpack themes of vulnerability, creativity, and the freedom that comes with embracing imperfection. By allowing others to see the "messy" parts of leadership, Amy contends that leaders can foster environments where their teams feel empowered to be innovative and open. This thought-provoking episode connects with listeners who find themselves in the throes of the "messy middle," encouraging them to embrace these moments with confidence and grace. Key Takeaways * Authentic leadership involves showing vulnerability and admitting imperfection. * Embracing the "messy" parts of life can foster a more creative and open environment within teams. * The way leaders present themselves impacts workplace culture, including attitudes toward rest, uncertainty, and accountability. * Leadership isn't about having all the answers; it's about creating a safe space for others to contribute and grow. * Consistently projecting perfection can hinder honest communication and stifle creativity. Quotes When we let a little bit of the messy show, we give people permission to be human.If we pretend we always have the answer, people learn to hide their uncertainty.What we make visible as leaders matters.Leadership asks for presence. It asks for accountability, but it doesn't ask us to be perfect.Creativity lives in spaces where people feel safe enough to speak, to try, not to have it all figured out.

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Embracing Vulnerability: A Journey of Growth, Faith, and Resilience

In this engaging episode of Thriving in the Messy Middle, host Amy P Wilkins speaks with Kenetta Bailey, a respected marketing leader, about navigating uncertainty and transitions in both professional and personal life. Kenetta shares her journey from thriving as a high-level marketer for renowned brands like Pepsi and Sony to overcoming personal trials. She emphasizes the importance of remaining open to new opportunities and how her career path has been shaped by unexpected yet fortuitous challenges. With experience across diverse industries, Kenetta highlights her adaptability and strategic leadership style that have propelled her success. Amidst the backdrop of career transitions, Kenetta recounts a pivotal messy middle moment involving personal upheaval when her father's health declined. She speaks candidly about stepping away from her professional life to take care of her aging parents, an experience that was both challenging and growth-inducing. Throughout this personal story, Kenetta underscores the significance of prioritizing what truly matters, learning from experiences, and being unapologetically true to oneself. As the conversation evolves, the focus shifts to adapting in dynamic professional landscapes, like adopting AI technologies and navigating organizational changes, and how these instances underscore the necessity of continuous learning and flexibility in the workplace. Discover insights on career agility, the importance of vulnerability, and embracing change with courage and resilience. The conversation touches on leadership, the evolving landscape of AI, and finding balance in life's messy middle moments. Key Takeaways * Adaptability in Career Transitions: Kanetta discusses the importance of being adaptable and open to seizing new opportunities while turning challenges into stepping stones for career growth. * Prioritizing Personal Responsibilities: The episode delves into Kanetta's decision to take a professional hiatus to care for her parents, illustrating the importance of prioritizing family and well-being. * Leading Through Change: Insights into leading teams through organizational shifts, focusing on transparency and the transferability of skills to navigate transitions effectively. * Unlearning and Relearning: Emphasis on the necessity to continuously evolve in the face of technological advancements such as AI, highlighting the importance of being proactive and adaptive. * Personal and Professional Support Systems: The significance of building a robust network, or a 'personal board of directors,' for guidance in both personal and professional spheres. Kenetta Bailey Quotes I've never been afraid of a challenge. If you challenge me, I'm taking you up on it.We've got to be comfortable being uncomfortable.Taking care of the people who took care of me made me a better and more compassionate leader.You can't take yourself too seriously all the time. You've got to protect your mental health.Be yourself, but always be true to who you are and what's important to you.I love to give people advice if they are seeking it, but I don't mean that my advice is the only way that something could be done. Mentioned in this Episode About Kenetta Bailey Kenetta Bailey [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenettabailey/] is a global marketing, communications, and growth executive with 25+ years of experience building and transforming B2B and B2C brands across advertising, media, consumer packaged goods, and entertainment. Known for driving revenue and building high-performing teams, she has a track record of delivering measurable results, from audience growth and digital innovation to product launches and P&L management, for some of the world's most recognized companies. Most recently, Kenetta served as SVP, Marketing at Clear Channel Outdoor Americas, where she led a high-performing team to create data-driven content, enterprise storytelling, and integrated ad sales and product marketing materials, generating multi-million-dollar revenue growth through a full marketing mix including SEO, paid search, and AI-powered search strategies across the company's 28-market footprint. She transformed and relaunched the company's social and digital presence into lead-generating platforms, co-championed CSR and partnership marketing with national nonprofit organizations, and was selected by the CEO to define and implement the company's Mission, Vision, and Values, then led the cross- functional effort to cascade them through the culture, driving measurable improvements in employee engagement and retention. Prior to Clear Channel, Kenetta held senior marketing leadership roles at CBS Radio, WPP/GroupM, Comcast/TV One, AMC Networks, NBC Universal, and Sony Music, and began her career in consumer packaged goods at PepsiCo and Kraft. Across these roles, she drove brand reinventions, launched new networks, won major global accounts, and delivered double- and triple-digit growth. Today, Kenetta is the Founder of The Marketing Den, a consultancy delivering strategy, AI- powered MarComms, growth marketing, media, and digital services to B2B, B2C, and nonprofit clients. Beyond her executive career, Kenetta has served on the boards of the Alliance for Women in Media, Arts Horizons, New Classrooms, and Planned Parenthood Federation of America, and taught persuasive and crisis communications to MBA students at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Kenetta holds a bachelor's and master's degree in journalism from Northwestern University's Medill School and an MBA from the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern. Kenetta Bailey LinkedIn Profile [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenettabailey/]

3 de jun de 202629 min
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It's a Fine Line: Not All Discomfort Signals Growth

In this episode of Thriving in the Messy Middle, hosted by leadership coach Amy P Wilkins, listeners are invited to explore the often-overlooked phases of discomfort and uncertainty in their leadership journeys. Inspired by the conversation with Viktoria Degtar [https://chooseawe.com/the-truth-about-leading-through-uncertainty/], Amy addresses the inevitable moments in life when things seem messy and unclear, offering insights into how distinguishing among types of discomfort can lead to personal growth. This solo episode stands out as it delves into the nuanced differences between expansive and depleting discomfort, urging listeners to carefully assess their emotions and energy to understand which path they are on. Throughout the discussion, Amy unravels the complex emotions tied to discomfort, a necessary part of growth and change, and the courage it takes to assess whether such discomfort is truly pushing one forward or simply a signal of misalignment. As she reflects on personal experiences, she notes key triggers that helped her discern when to embrace challenges and when to recognize situations that were detrimental to her well-being. This theme resonates heavily with women leaders striving to reconcile personal empowerment with professional growth in unpredictable environments. Join her in understanding how to identify and move through these pivotal moments, leading with awareness and choice. Key Takeaways * Understanding Discomfort: Recognize that not all discomfort signals growth; distinguish between expansive and depleting discomfort to navigate life's challenges effectively. * Energy as a Signal: Use your energy levels as an indicator: expansive discomfort energizes and motivates, while depleting discomfort drains and disconnects. * Reflection and Awareness: Stay reflective and aware in the 'messy middle' to discern the lessons or signals your discomfort may be sending you. * Growth vs. Harm: Growth can be uncomfortable, but it's crucial to identify when discomfort is actually harmful rather than constructive. * Self-trust: Build self-trust and awareness to make informed decisions that honor your personal and professional well-being. Quotes If you're feeling uncomfortable, you're probably right where you need to be.Not all discomfort is the same…some can feel like expansion, some like depletion.The hardest part isn't being uncomfortable; it's knowing which kind you're in.Expansive discomfort might feel scary, but there's still a sense of possibility.Because this is the messy middle, the part of the journey where things aren't clear where you're in it, but you don't yet know what it's here to teach you.For me, it comes down to energy. Expansive discomfort might feel scary, but there's still a sense of possibility. Mentioned in this EpisodeThriving in the Messy Middle E26 The Truth About Leading Through Uncertainty [https://chooseawe.com/the-truth-about-leading-through-uncertainty/] with guest Viktoria Degtar [https://www.linkedin.com/in/viktoria-degtar-a5b1474/]

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