Ep. 4 - the Harvey-Reddit debacle and law firm culture change

Ep. 5 - vibe lawyering and meeting clients halfway

In this episode, Aurelia and Chris talk about the growing trend of clients turning to AI before their lawyers, whether and where that is sensible, where we see the limitations, and whether and where law firms can or should be meeting their clients halfway. * (00:00) - Introduction * (00:18) - What motivates clients to turn to ChatGPT first? * (04:19) - Where do generic AI apps have their place? * (05:31) - Working with clients + AI * (07:00) - Lawyers meeting clients halfway * (08:56) - It is all about context * (11:56) - How much knowledge do LLMs have? * (16:20) - Vibe lawyering v vibe coding * (22:38) - Strengthening client relationships with AI Links: - Watch on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GB7Snr4XSg]

Ep. 4 - the Harvey-Reddit debacle and law firm culture change

In this episode, Aurelia and Chris talk about the Harvey-Reddit debacle, whether it is really that big a deal, and more broadly about cultural change in law firms. * (00:00) - Introduction * (01:36) - Harvey's value proposition * (05:03) - Cultural Shifts in Legal Tech Adoption * (08:44) - Adoption and retention: is it really that bad? * (12:13) - Change management * (15:02) - How important is founder legal experience? * (17:20) - Communication between product and lawyer * (19:26) - The importance of being able to empathize with users * (22:23) - Will / should law firms be building their own tools? Links: - The Reddit post [https://www.reddit.com/r/legaltech/comments/1npna9o/i_worked_at_harvey_and_left_recently_i_think_its/] - Watch on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWFnq6w34vs]

Ep. 3 - VCs & The Death of the Billable Hour

In this episode, Aurelia and Chris talk about venture capital firms' growing interest in AI-native legal services, whether it's well founded and whether AI-native legal services really will be the end of traditional law firms. Their conversation predominantly hangs off "Death of the Billable Hour: Legal's $900B AI repricing" article by Ethan Batraski (General Partner at Venrock) which recently created a bit of a stir amongst lawyers. * (00:00) - Introduction & TL;DR * (01:08) - VCs' growing interest in AI native legal services * (03:35) - "The Death of the Billable Hour" * (06:23) - Can law firms do fixed fees? * (08:11) - Regulation & law firm ownership in the US v UK * (09:54) - law firm barriers to adopting AI * (14:48) - The economics of AI-native law firms * (18:25) - Does AI-native enable SaaS-level margins and scale? * (23:24) - consumer legal services * (28:08) - Why does "The Death of the Billable Hour" article still resonate? * (31:05) - Wrap up Links: - Y Combinator - Request for Startups (Summer 2025) [https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs] - Death of the Billable Hour by Ethan Batraski [https://ethanjamesb.substack.com/p/death-of-the-billable-hour-legal-ai] - Watch on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8dU3QhQkqk]

Ep. 2 - AI anxiety, change & the future of the profession

In this episode, Aurelia and Chris tackle the growing anxiety around AI in the legal profession.  As lawyers, product builders and founders of an AI-native legal service, they share their perspective on why lawyers shouldn't fear being replaced by AI, but rather should embrace the opportunities for more interesting and diverse career paths ahead. The future of legal is bright. While AI will certainly change how legal work is done, it's more likely to enhance lawyers' capabilities and create new opportunities rather than replace them.  The key is staying human, creative, and curious while being open to new ways of practising law. * (00:00) - Intro & the TL;DR * (01:10) - The impact of AI on legal jobs * (03:26) - Evolving roles and skills for lawyers * (10:03) - AI adoption real talk * (15:04) - Trust in AI tools * (18:38) - Human value in the age of AI * (21:41) - Commoditisation of legal services * (23:10) - What does AI native mean? * (26:26) - Wrap up Links: - Watch on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_N-NePwkNE]

Ep. 1 - what is Agentic AI, what is it not, and how does it fit into legal?

In this episode of 'Too Legal; Didn't Read', hosts Aurelia Butler-Ball and Chris Bridges delve into the complexities of agentic AI in legal work. They cover what agentic AI is, what it is not, when it might be suitable for a legal task, and the current challenge in relying on agentic AI without a human in the loop - with key takeaway messages for both legaltech vendors and legaltech buyers. * (00:00) - Introduction * (03:16) - What is Agentic AI, and what is an AI agent? * (05:41) - How autonomous is Agentic AI? * (08:51) - Does accuracy matter? * (12:39) - Why do things break down when accuracy matters? * (15:34) - A worked example: contract review * (20:36) - How do you calculate average accuracy? * (23:29) - Key takeaways Links: - Watch on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmIrK8-wsSo] - Tilder by Tacit Legal [https://tilder-tldr.com/] - Tacit Legal [https://tacit.legal/] - Chris' original LinkedIn post [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chris-bridges-56677145_rantover-activity-7348629725684088833-w5N4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAmLpN4B5iV98F4I8JWuhXk5vC8QSwoXib4] - "Should I use Agentic AI for this legal task?" flow chart [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chris-bridges-56677145_on-wednesday-i-posted-my-frustration-with-activity-7349342235538145281-qI53?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAmLpN4B5iV98F4I8JWuhXk5vC8QSwoXib4] - Contract review example flow chart [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chris-bridges-56677145_how-does-agentic-ai-work-with-a-legal-use-activity-7351528764461223937-BPts?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAmLpN4B5iV98F4I8JWuhXk5vC8QSwoXib4]