RWH069: The Psychology of Investing w/ Emily Haisley

TIP829: Kaspi Stock ($KSPI): The Cheapest E-Commerce Monopoly in the World w/ Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley

Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley take a deep dive into Kaspi.kz (NASDAQ: KSPI), the Kazakhstani super-app that combines payments, e-commerce, and fintech into a single platform that most of the country uses every day. They unpack why its dominance at home has been so hard for competitors to challenge, and how a company this profitable ends up trading at only around seven times earnings. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: (00:00:00) Intro (00:01:49) How Kaspi became Kazakhstan's No.1 superapp (00:16:56) What business units Kaspi operates (00:35:38) What role the fintech business plays (00:37:54) How the marketplace differs from Mercado Libre and Shopee (00:45:11) What the competitive environment in Kazakhstan looks like (00:52:30) What the Turkey expansion means for the business (01:23:43) Valuation discussion of Kaspi (01:27:11) Whether Kaspi is valued attractively (01:30:34) Whether Shawn and Daniel add KSPI to the Intrinsic Value Portfolio Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. 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TIP828: Restoration Hardware (RH): Building a Luxury Empire From Scratch w/ Shawn O'Malley and Daniel Mahncke

Shawn O'Malley and Daniel Mahncke explore Restoration Hardware (ticker: RH). In this episode, you'll learn how RH was able to reinvent itself as a high-end furniture retailer, using opulent galleries, high-end dining, private yachts, and a membership model based on Amazon Prime and Costco. RH is an incredibly bold and unique business, not afraid to use unconventional viral marketing efforts to drive customers into stores, as they aim to set styles for the ultra-rich. Shawn and Daniel dig into the business, risks for shareholders, and estimate RH’s intrinsic value, plus so much more! IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: (00:00:00) Intro (00:03:32) How RH has built an American luxury brand, defining home-design tastes (00:07:18) Why yachts and private jets are actually core to RH’s strategy to sell furniture to the ultra-rich (00:15:14) About the eccentric and fascinating world of Gary Friedman and his tastes that define RH (00:25:43) Why RH pivoted to a membership-based model for discounting in 2016 (00:40:31) What RH is planning on doing in response to its debt maturity wall looming in 2028 (00:49:42) How RH is using sale-leasebacks and monetizing its real estate to improve capital efficiency (00:53:08) How to think about the intrinsic value of RH (00:57:35) Whether Shawn and Daniel add RH to the Intrinsic Value Portfolio Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. 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TIP827: Auto1 Stock (AG1): Is This the Amazon for Cars? w/ Daniel Mahncke & Shawn O’Malley

Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley take a deep dive into Auto1 Group (ETR: AG1), the Berlin-based used-car platform. They examine whether Auto1's instant-guaranteed-pricing model is a genuine consumer moat or a balance-sheet liability in disguise, what the economics actually look like in 2026 once you separate the merchant flywheel from the retail build-out, and the more uncomfortable side of the bull case. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: (00:00:00) Intro (00:03:23) Why the traditional used-car market doesn’t work well (00:10:24) About the size of the used-car market (00:13:11) How Auto1’s business model works (00:16:38) Who Auto1’s founders are (00:26:15) How Auto1 buys and sells cars (00:37:27) How the unit economics work (01:03:12) Valuation discussion of AG1 (01:06:58) Whether Auto1 is valued attractively (01:08:58) Whether Shawn and Daniel add AG1 to the Intrinsic Value Portfolio Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. 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RWH069: The Psychology of Investing w/ Emily Haisley

In today’s episode, William Green speaks with Emily Haisley, who heads the Behavioral Finance team at BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, with $14 trillion under management. Here, she explores the critical intersection of investing & psychology, explaining how she helps elite fund managers identify & counteract their behavioral biases, regulate their emotions, optimize their physiological state, avoid systematic mistakes, & take risks that align with their edge. This conversation offers powerful insights on how to win the inner game of investing. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: (00:00:00) Intro (00:00:40) How Emily Haisley became head of Behavioral Finance at BlackRock (00:23:52) How her team helps fund managers recognize their behavioral biases (00:28:51) How to counteract a notoriously destructive bias, myopic loss aversion (00:39:56) Why disposition bias leads investors to hold losers & sell winners (00:44:31) Why it’s helpful to experience investment pain, not just learn about it (00:53:46) How investment teams can profit by “beating up” their decision makers (00:56:00) How the best investors benefit by subjugating their own ego (01:00:14) What practical steps Emily recommended to one elite investment team (01:17:48) Why she views “tainted altruism” as “the saddest bias” (01:25:27) What investors can do to manage stress & its impact on their decisions (01:29:35) How BlackRock uses AI to simulate decision making amid extreme volatility (01:35:32) Why she’s learned to embrace uncertainty, false starts, mistakes, & change (01:52:33) How 3 new year’s resolutions nudged Emily toward a happier life Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. 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TIP826: American Tower (AMT): The Wide Moat Business Your Phone Can't Live Without w/ Kyle Grieve & Shawn O'Malley

Kyle Grieve and Shawn O’Malley analyze American Tower, the global cell tower business that powers the wireless networks we rely on every day. They unpack how leasing tower space to carriers creates durable recurring revenue, why its stacked competitive advantages form one of the widest moats in the market, and how a steadily growing debt load complicates the picture. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: (00:00:00) Intro (00:01:51) How American Tower powers the wireless networks we use (00:06:21) How AMT creates recurring revenue (00:08:09) Why adding additional tenants dramatically boosts profits per tower (00:13:57) The three moats protecting American Tower from competitors (00:32:13) Why the REIT structure forces heavy reliance on debt (00:38:46) What American Tower's capital allocation reveals about management (00:40:22) Whether the data center deal was worth it (00:57:33) How carrier consolidation threatens even the widest moats (01:01:30) Why a wonderful business isn't always a wonderful investment (01:11:35) Intrinsic value of AMT (01:13:52) Whether Kyle and Shawn will add AMT to the Intrinsic Value Portfolio Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. 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