Holding Space with Dr. Barker
In this episode of Holding Space, Dr. Christopher Barker talks with Dr. Michael Scarano—former physical therapy assistant, chiropractor, and medical doctor—about his powerful concept of “toxic perseverance.” Drawing on decades in healthcare, his own trauma history, and the loss of a close friend to suicide, Dr. Scarano explains how unprocessed trauma and the subconscious mind can quietly drive perfectionism, overworking, imposter syndrome, shame, and chronic emotional pain. Together, they explore why so many “high-functioning” people are suffering underneath their success, how complex trauma, ADHD, and lifelong self-criticism can shape identity, and why men in particular struggle to face vulnerability. Dr. Scarano shares how his own breaking point led to a deep self-audit, new language for understanding his patterns, and his upcoming book and TEDx talk on toxic perseverance. Dr. Barker adds a psychodynamic and attachment-informed lens, highlighting the role of the subconscious, the mind–body connection, and what therapists can do to humanize the therapy room and build safer, more authentic relationships with clients. This conversation is for anyone wondering why they “push through” at all costs, feel stuck in shame and overdrive, or sense that old trauma is still running the show. It’s especially relevant for clinicians, coaches, and helpers who want a more nuanced, human-centered way of thinking about trauma, mental health, and resilience. Learn more about Dr. Michael Scarano: TEDx talk: https://youtu.be/m_OO6sJ7-UM [https://youtu.be/m_OO6sJ7-UM] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-scarano-m-d-087b19139/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-scarano-m-d-087b19139/] Website: https://www.michaelscaranollc.com/ [https://www.michaelscaranollc.com/] Learn more about Dr. Christopher Barker and Holding Space: Website: https://www.drchristopherbarker.com [https://www.drchristopherbarker.com] Interested in being a guest? Email: info@drchristopherbarker.com [info@drchristopherbarker.com]
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