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Michael Bungay Stanier: The Coaching Habit, AI, and the Four Cs of Leadership

35 min · 14. juli 2026
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TL;DR - Michael Bungay Stanier has spent a decade teaching leaders to be more coach-like, and the core of it, “ask more, tell less,” matters more now than when he wrote The Coaching Habit ten years ago. In this Substack Live, he gave me four principles for leading in the age of AI: clarity over certainty, context over content, connection over cocooning, and courage over collusion. We got into why AI’s confidence is a trap, why the real work of a leader is helping people find the right question instead of handing them the answer, and the three coaching questions that still hold up in 2026. Watch the full conversation above. 🎥 Catch all future interviews, subscribe on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaws3oD3t4KiWU1qSaXDQpA] 🎧 Prefer audio? Listen on Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/leadership-in-change-with-ai-podcast/id1884921599] 🤝 Want to chat one-on-one? Book a free intro call. [https://jsalinas.org/call/] Outline (0:43) – Leadership WTF: what it even means to lead now (1:34) – Does coaching still matter when everyone has ChatGPT (3:12) – Ask more, tell less, and why it’s harder than it sounds (5:44) – Daniel Goleman’s six styles and the one leaders skip (8:35) – The four Cs, laid out (9:05) – Clarity over certainty (11:08) – Courage over collusion (12:45) – The sycophancy trap: six months chasing a fake theorem (14:31) – Connection, and why humans rubbing up together still matters (19:01) – Why big change plans fail: capacity and agency (23:11) – The productivity fear: save 25%, produce 25% more? (26:09) – Coaching a team in 2026: the three questions (30:27) – Three books Michael recommends My Takeaways The four Cs. This was the spine of the whole conversation, and it’s the thing I’m still going over. Michael has been sitting with a simple question, what do we actually need to do as leaders in a time of AI, and he came back with four moves. “Clarity over certainty, context over content, connection over cocooning, and then courage over collusion.” I made a chart of it because I want to keep it in front of me, and honestly, once you hear all four together, you can’t unsee the tension in each one. Every C is a choice between the easy thing AI is great at and the harder thing that’s still ours to do. Clarity over certainty. So here’s where it got real for me. Michael’s point is that AI is fantastic at sounding sure, and that confidence is exactly the trap. “AI is brilliant at being certain,” he said, and then he told a story from a conversation with Dan Ariely (the behavioral economist behind Predictably Irrational) about a researcher who wasted six months chasing a new math theorem that ChatGPT told him he’d found, and that turned out to be complete nonsense. Certainty is cheap now. The leader’s job is clarity, which is the slower work of asking what the real problem even is before you go solve the confident-sounding one. Connection over cocooning. This is the one I keep chewing on. Michael admitted something I think a lot of us feel and don’t say out loud, that one of the strangest things about AI is he almost doesn’t need to talk to other human beings anymore, because it’s just him and his agent going back and forth. “It feels like it’s human, but it’s not human.” And I sat with that, because I could open Claude right now and ask it how Michael would answer a question and get a close approximation, which is exactly the thing that should scare us a little. His answer is that leaders create more than the sum of their parts when there’s real connection, and there’s something about humans rubbing up together that no agent replaces. Capacity before change. The most practical thing he said is that big change plans almost always fail, because leaders keep pouring water into a full glass. If your people are already at capacity, a shiny new AI rollout has nowhere to land. And this landed against a real moment for me, when someone on my team heard “AI will save you 25% of your time” and asked me straight up whether that meant I’d now require 25% more output. That fear is the whole game. Michael’s take is that the promise of AI isn’t just doing more stuff, it’s creating the capacity and the agency for people to run small experiments and actually manage the change instead of drowning in it. The three questions that still work So if you take one thing you can use Monday morning, take these. Near the end I asked Michael what coaching a team actually looks like in 2026, and he gave me three questions from The Coaching Habit that still hold up when AI can answer almost anything. The strategic question, “what are we going to say yes to, and if we say yes to this, what must we say no to?” The real-challenge question, “what’s the real challenge here?” And the learning question he closes every conversation with, “what was most useful or valuable here?” I’ve started using that last one, because it makes sure everyone walks away a little smarter, including me. I made a second card of these so you can keep them in front of you. If AI can generate every answer in your organization, what’s the one thing your people still need a human leader for? Sit with that, then watch the full conversation above, and if you want the real depth on any of this, go grab The Coaching Habit [https://thecoachinghabit.com/] and subscribe to Michael’s Change Signal podcast [https://thechangesignal.com/]. About Michael Bungay Stanier Michael Bungay Stanier is the author of The Coaching Habit, one of the best-selling coaching books of all time, now celebrating its ten-year anniversary. He also wrote How to Work with Almost Anyone and hosts the Change Signal podcast, [https://thechangesignal.com/] where he cuts through the blather to find what actually works in change. His whole mission is helping leaders be more coach-like: stay curious a little longer, rush to advice a little more slowly. Find his books and free resources at thecoachinghabit.com [https://thecoachinghabit.com/]. About me Joel Salinas is an AI Strategy Coach [https://jsalinas.org/#services] for leaders at small and mid-sized businesses and nonprofits. AI is everywhere; judgment is scarce. Joel helps leaders adopt AI without outsourcing their judgment to it, through a monthly live workshop and 90-day engagements. Creator of the AI Leadership Triad. He writes Leadership in Change. Written by a human, for humans. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit leadershipinchange.com/subscribe [https://leadershipinchange.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

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Michael Bungay Stanier: The Coaching Habit, AI, and the Four Cs of Leadership

TL;DR - Michael Bungay Stanier has spent a decade teaching leaders to be more coach-like, and the core of it, “ask more, tell less,” matters more now than when he wrote The Coaching Habit ten years ago. In this Substack Live, he gave me four principles for leading in the age of AI: clarity over certainty, context over content, connection over cocooning, and courage over collusion. We got into why AI’s confidence is a trap, why the real work of a leader is helping people find the right question instead of handing them the answer, and the three coaching questions that still hold up in 2026. Watch the full conversation above. 🎥 Catch all future interviews, subscribe on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaws3oD3t4KiWU1qSaXDQpA] 🎧 Prefer audio? Listen on Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/leadership-in-change-with-ai-podcast/id1884921599] 🤝 Want to chat one-on-one? Book a free intro call. [https://jsalinas.org/call/] Outline (0:43) – Leadership WTF: what it even means to lead now (1:34) – Does coaching still matter when everyone has ChatGPT (3:12) – Ask more, tell less, and why it’s harder than it sounds (5:44) – Daniel Goleman’s six styles and the one leaders skip (8:35) – The four Cs, laid out (9:05) – Clarity over certainty (11:08) – Courage over collusion (12:45) – The sycophancy trap: six months chasing a fake theorem (14:31) – Connection, and why humans rubbing up together still matters (19:01) – Why big change plans fail: capacity and agency (23:11) – The productivity fear: save 25%, produce 25% more? (26:09) – Coaching a team in 2026: the three questions (30:27) – Three books Michael recommends My Takeaways The four Cs. This was the spine of the whole conversation, and it’s the thing I’m still going over. Michael has been sitting with a simple question, what do we actually need to do as leaders in a time of AI, and he came back with four moves. “Clarity over certainty, context over content, connection over cocooning, and then courage over collusion.” I made a chart of it because I want to keep it in front of me, and honestly, once you hear all four together, you can’t unsee the tension in each one. Every C is a choice between the easy thing AI is great at and the harder thing that’s still ours to do. Clarity over certainty. So here’s where it got real for me. Michael’s point is that AI is fantastic at sounding sure, and that confidence is exactly the trap. “AI is brilliant at being certain,” he said, and then he told a story from a conversation with Dan Ariely (the behavioral economist behind Predictably Irrational) about a researcher who wasted six months chasing a new math theorem that ChatGPT told him he’d found, and that turned out to be complete nonsense. Certainty is cheap now. The leader’s job is clarity, which is the slower work of asking what the real problem even is before you go solve the confident-sounding one. Connection over cocooning. This is the one I keep chewing on. Michael admitted something I think a lot of us feel and don’t say out loud, that one of the strangest things about AI is he almost doesn’t need to talk to other human beings anymore, because it’s just him and his agent going back and forth. “It feels like it’s human, but it’s not human.” And I sat with that, because I could open Claude right now and ask it how Michael would answer a question and get a close approximation, which is exactly the thing that should scare us a little. His answer is that leaders create more than the sum of their parts when there’s real connection, and there’s something about humans rubbing up together that no agent replaces. Capacity before change. The most practical thing he said is that big change plans almost always fail, because leaders keep pouring water into a full glass. If your people are already at capacity, a shiny new AI rollout has nowhere to land. And this landed against a real moment for me, when someone on my team heard “AI will save you 25% of your time” and asked me straight up whether that meant I’d now require 25% more output. That fear is the whole game. Michael’s take is that the promise of AI isn’t just doing more stuff, it’s creating the capacity and the agency for people to run small experiments and actually manage the change instead of drowning in it. The three questions that still work So if you take one thing you can use Monday morning, take these. Near the end I asked Michael what coaching a team actually looks like in 2026, and he gave me three questions from The Coaching Habit that still hold up when AI can answer almost anything. The strategic question, “what are we going to say yes to, and if we say yes to this, what must we say no to?” The real-challenge question, “what’s the real challenge here?” And the learning question he closes every conversation with, “what was most useful or valuable here?” I’ve started using that last one, because it makes sure everyone walks away a little smarter, including me. I made a second card of these so you can keep them in front of you. If AI can generate every answer in your organization, what’s the one thing your people still need a human leader for? Sit with that, then watch the full conversation above, and if you want the real depth on any of this, go grab The Coaching Habit [https://thecoachinghabit.com/] and subscribe to Michael’s Change Signal podcast [https://thechangesignal.com/]. About Michael Bungay Stanier Michael Bungay Stanier is the author of The Coaching Habit, one of the best-selling coaching books of all time, now celebrating its ten-year anniversary. He also wrote How to Work with Almost Anyone and hosts the Change Signal podcast, [https://thechangesignal.com/] where he cuts through the blather to find what actually works in change. His whole mission is helping leaders be more coach-like: stay curious a little longer, rush to advice a little more slowly. Find his books and free resources at thecoachinghabit.com [https://thecoachinghabit.com/]. About me Joel Salinas is an AI Strategy Coach [https://jsalinas.org/#services] for leaders at small and mid-sized businesses and nonprofits. AI is everywhere; judgment is scarce. Joel helps leaders adopt AI without outsourcing their judgment to it, through a monthly live workshop and 90-day engagements. Creator of the AI Leadership Triad. He writes Leadership in Change. Written by a human, for humans. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit leadershipinchange.com/subscribe [https://leadershipinchange.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

14. juli 202635 min
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David McIlroy: Solopreneurship, Substack, and Using AI Without Losing Your Voice

Things have changed. The bar used to be produce content, produce content, produce content, and most people didn’t have the time or the persistence to keep going, so just showing up was the whole game. That bar is gone now. Anybody can type a prompt and get ten decent posts before lunch. Which means the thing that actually keeps a reader with you is the part AI can’t fake. David McIlroy [https://substack.com/profile/151696008-david-mcilroy] has built a solopreneur business coaching creative entrepreneurs, with 34,000+ subscribers on Substack, and we spent this conversation on exactly that tension: how you grow when the tools that used to separate you from everybody else are now free to everybody else. We got into the 1:5 engagement ratio, why community became the whole point after the pandemic, and where he draws the line on letting AI touch his fiction. Watch the full thing above. 🎥 Catch all future interviews, subscribe on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaws3oD3t4KiWU1qSaXDQpA] 🎧 Prefer audio? Listen on Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/leadership-in-change-with-ai-podcast/id1884921599] 🤝 Want to chat one-on-one? Book a free intro call. [https://jsalinas.org/call/] Outline (1:25) – From Medium to Substack, and starting with one publication (3:37) – Youth worker to hiking blog to solopreneur (5:36) – Why the digital-course boom cooled and community took over (9:18) – Finding your why and your message (10:49) – The 1:5 ratio: using other people’s audiences (13:34) – The content bar collapsed with AI (18:07) – AI should amplify your strengths, not replace your expertise (22:27) – Using AI as an editor for fiction (23:28) – The sensitivity check: AI on a humanitarian content team (26:57) – David’s new group coaching program (29:17) – Who should reach out to David My Takeaways The content bar hit zero. David and I got to the same place from different sides. The old advantage was volume, and volume is now free. So the question flips. If a post can come out 100% AI-created, what actually separates you from the hundred other people running the same prompt? David put it this way: “You can create. It’s the kind of content, it’s the depth that now you can go to, which makes the difference.” The depth is yours. The prompt isn’t. Borrow other people’s audiences. When your own list is small, David’s move is a rough 1:5 ratio, one thing you post, five thoughtful comments on bigger creators’ work. And he was firm that the comment has to earn its place. “It needs to be something thoughtful that adds to the conversation and demonstrates that you have some level of expertise to share as well.” Not “great idea, happy for you.” That’s the version an AI bot posts, and readers can smell it. (I get those on LinkedIn constantly, three perfectly structured paragraphs from someone who clearly never read the post.) Share the messy stuff. This is the one I’d underline for any leader building a presence online. David’s point was that people don’t connect with polished text, they connect with a real person behind it. “You’ve got to share some of the messy stuff as well, the struggles, the good times, the family stuff, the pets, the nature.” AI can generate the frameworks. It can’t hand you your kid’s drawing or your dog running through the grass, and that’s the part a reader actually stays for. It’s the same reason I keep coming back to community as the thing that carries you [https://leadershipinchange.com/p/ai-and-the-importance-of-community]. AI as editor, not author. David keeps AI completely out of his fiction as a writer, but he runs finished manuscripts through it to catch plot holes and inconsistencies. “It’s working like an editor on some level. It doesn’t produce any ideas or guide the story in any way, but it helps keep me right if I’m making mistakes.” That’s exactly how I use it too. On the humanitarian side, my content team of about 25 people runs work through Claude to check whether a message written by a non-Latino would read wrong to a Latino audience. Not to write it. To catch what a human would miss and then keep going. The line David draws is the right one: the moment AI starts replacing what makes you you, you’ve stopped growing. One Question to Sit With Where do you draw the line, what do you let AI do, and what stays yours? The bar for producing content just hit zero, and the part that’s actually worth following is the part AI can’t fake. About David McIlroy David McIlroy is a strategy coach for creative entrepreneurs, a solopreneur, fiction author, and podcaster based in Northern Ireland, with 34,000+ subscribers across his Substack publications. He helps creators build a personal brand, strategy, and system for clarity and growth. His new weekly group coaching program opens Tuesday, July 28, 2026. Subscribe and reach out to him on Substack [https://substack.com/@thedavidmcilroy]. About me Joel Salinas is an Executive AI Coach for leaders at small and mid-sized businesses and nonprofits. 1:1 coaching, team workshops, and AI strategy work built around amplifying what your team is already good at. Creator of the AI Leadership Triad. He writes Leadership in Change. If you want help thinking through your own AI strategy or online presence, start here [https://jsalinas.org/]. Written by a human, for humans. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit leadershipinchange.com/subscribe [https://leadershipinchange.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

9. juli 202630 min
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Fall in Love With Your Customer's Pain: Kajabi's Co-Founder on Building With AI

Travis Rosser [https://substack.com/profile/170949930-travis-rosser] co-founded Kajabi, the platform creators have used to sell more than $10 billion in courses, coaching, and knowledge, and he joined me on Substack Live to trace the whole arc. We went from a Shark Lagoon PDF he sold as a kid to a company that put publishing tools in everyone’s hands. Along the way he unpacked why he tells builders to fall in love with their customer’s pain instead of their idea, his Four P’s of knowledge capital, and why AI is turning all of us from creators into builders. If you’re sitting on expertise and wondering what to do with it, this is the one to watch. 🎥 Catch all future interviews, subscribe on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaws3oD3t4KiWU1qSaXDQpA] 🎧 Prefer audio? Listen on Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/leadership-in-change-with-ai-podcast/id1884921599] 🤝 Want to chat one-on-one? Book a free intro call. [https://jsalinas.org/call/] Outline (00:04) – Welcome, and going live on Substack (00:53) – A sprinkler toy, a taco, and a lifelong side-hustle habit (02:39) – Shark Lagoon: the first thing he ever sold online (04:36) – Kajabi’s first customer (05:28) – Launch day, and a million dollars in 24 hours (08:44) – The Saturday the support tickets caught fire (09:56) – The survey that revealed what Kajabi really was (10:32) – From $10 billion to “we’re all becoming builders” (12:13) – “Fall in love with your customer’s pain, not your idea” (15:24) – Knowledge capital and the Four P’s (22:57) – Skills as the new digital product, and taste as the new edge (36:43) – What Travis is building now: Wazi [https://wazi.ai/] and PageSumo [https://pagesumo.com/] My Takeaways Fall in love with your customer’s pain, not your idea. Here’s the line I keep coming back to from the whole conversation. Travis has been building things his entire life, and the thing he kept circling back to is that being good at creating stuff is exactly what makes you fall in love with the wrong part of it. “When you’re good at creating things, you fall in love with the idea too much,” he said. “But if you’re not helping someone, if you don’t provide value to them, it doesn’t matter.” What I pushed on with him is how much sharper that line cuts right now, because once anyone can build almost anything over a weekend, a lot of us are going to mistake “I can make this” for “someone actually needs this,” and those two things were never the same. Everybody is sitting on knowledge capital, and most of us take it for granted. So here’s the framing from his book You, Inc. that I want more leaders to steal. Travis calls it the Four P’s: Profession, Passion, Pain, and Problems. His claim is that all four are knowledge somebody else would pay for, and we discount them because they come easy to us. “Everybody is an expert in their own life,” he said, and the example that got me was his kids yelling across the house about how to beat a level in Minecraft. In that one small section of life, his oldest son was the expert. So the thing he leaves you with is simple and a little uncomfortable: you already have something worth teaching, and the only real work is looking back at your own trail long enough to notice what it is. We’re shifting from a creator economy to a builder economy. This is the part I was leaning in for, because it’s exactly what I’ve been living. Travis’s take is that AI has handed everyone the capacity to build, not just to make content. “AI has given us the capacity to build, where anybody can build software, anybody can build agents, workflows,” he said, “and I really encourage anybody that watches this to go start doing that just for fun on the side.” I told him about the workout app my wife and I both wanted but couldn’t find, so one weekend I sat down in Claude Code (Anthropic’s coding tool you run by talking to it), took screenshots of the two apps we were each paying fifteen dollars a month for, listed the features we actually wanted, and built our own. I’ve used it almost every day for six months. That used to take a team and a budget, and now it takes a curious Saturday. In the age of infinite output, taste is the edge. So if anybody can build anything, what’s actually scarce now? Travis’s answer is taste, and taste comes from being an expert who knows what to leave out. He pointed to In-N-Out here in Southern California, how the whole brand is a curated menu, a few things done well instead of a wall of options. “It’s really good at producing a lot of stuff quickly,” he said about AI, “but how do you have taste? How do you curate the good? That’s the next real expert, the person who knows how to navigate that and still produce high-quality stuff.” His advice for getting started is to build in a vacuum for a while and be your own first customer, because the fastest way to develop taste is to make something you’d actually use. That’s the same thread of adaptability and creativity I keep writing about in the AI Leadership Triad [https://leadershipinchange.com/p/the-ai-leadership-triad-3-skills]. The tools got cheap, so judgment is the job now. One Question to Sit With What’s the one pain, yours or a customer’s, that you’d build for first now that the tools aren’t the hard part anymore? Watch the full conversation above, and then go follow Travis Rosser [https://linkedin.com/in/travisrosser] and check out what he’s building at Wazi [https://wazi.ai/] and PageSumo [https://pagesumo.com/]. About Travis Rosser Travis Rosser is the co-founder of Kajabi, the platform creators have used to sell more than $10 billion in courses, coaching, and digital products. He’s the author of You, Inc., a book about turning your own knowledge into a business through what he calls the Four P’s. These days he’s building two new tools with AI: Wazi (wazi.ai) and PageSumo (pagesumo.com). Follow his work on LinkedIn [https://linkedin.com/in/travisrosser]. About me Joel Salinas is an Executive AI Coach for leaders at small and mid-sized businesses and nonprofits. 1:1 coaching, team workshops, and AI strategy work built around amplifying what your team is already good at. Creator of the AI Leadership Triad. He writes Leadership in Change. If you want help thinking through your own AI strategy or online presence, start here [https://jsalinas.org/]. Written by a human, for humans. Thank you Colette Molteni [https://substack.com/profile/40065452-colette-molteni], Claire Machado [https://substack.com/profile/168845660-claire-machado], Duncan The Sage [https://substack.com/profile/254449706-duncan-the-sage], Tiffany Farley [https://substack.com/profile/147396782-tiffany-farley], Chris Winter [https://substack.com/profile/97704591-chris-winter], and many others for tuning into my live video with Travis Rosser [https://substack.com/profile/170949930-travis-rosser]! Join me for my next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit leadershipinchange.com/subscribe [https://leadershipinchange.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

7. juli 202642 min
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Cory Blumenfeld: The Founder Bottleneck, Delegation, and the Human Premium

Most of us start a business to get our time back, and somehow end up the one person it can’t run without. In this Substack Live I sat down with Cory Blumenfeld [https://substack.com/profile/423652963-cory-blumenfeld], a five-time founder who built a virtual assistant company called BlueMoso [https://bluemoso.com/], on how to stop being the bottleneck in your own company. We get into why the system usually only exists in the founder’s head, how to hire for the match instead of just the skill, and the line I keep coming back to: AI is for tasks, people are for outcomes. Watch the full conversation above. Also, click below to subscribe on Apple Podcasts! 👇 Outline (00:00) – Intro: who Cory is and how he got to Substack (01:20) – Why human content is becoming a premium tier (01:56) – Five businesses, zero experience, and learning by building (08:42) – The founder bottleneck: leading from the backseat (10:06) – If you got sick tomorrow, would the business survive? (14:28) – Type-A founders, trust, and hiring for the match (16:46) – The hiring framework: skill, work style, communication, personality (20:03) – VAs are for outcomes, AI is for tasks (22:10) – Humans with AI, not AI versus humans (23:25) – Everyone is starting at zero with AI (33:49) – Why he named it Taking My Time Back My Takeaways The founder is the bottleneck. So the whole conversation really starts here. The minute a company can’t survive without the founder in every decision, the founder has stopped leading and started blocking. Cory said it about as bluntly as it gets: “Any founder, any CEO trying to lead from the backseat drives the car off the road.” I’ve watched this one up close, and the test I keep coming back to is simpler than people want it to be. If it’s all hinging on you, you’re not leading well, you’re just busy. The system only exists in your head. Here’s the part founders hate to hear. When delegation fails, we blame the hire. Cory’s take is that the real problem is upstream, because the playbook never left your head. He fixed it by writing his whole content process down so completely that his assistant couldn’t fail. “I documented my strategy, made it super clear so they couldn’t fail. I set them up for success, and it started working.” That reframed it for me. The bottleneck usually isn’t your team’s ability, it’s the stuff you’ve never bothered to get out of your own head. Hire for the match, not just the skill. When I asked Cory how he actually trusts people enough to step back, he didn’t start with skill. He started with fit, work style, communication style, personality, and then skill. “Hiring someone is not just skill alone. What’s their work style? What’s their communication style? The match is everything.” And he was honest about why most of us struggle with it. A lot of founders are type-A with trust issues, me included on some days. If you hired someone for a skill you don’t have, the worst thing you can do is hover. Give them the room to be good at the thing you brought them in for. AI is for tasks, people are for outcomes. This is the line I’ll be repeating for a while. Cory draws a clean line between what you hand a person and what you hand a machine. “You don’t bring in a virtual assistant to work on a task. You bring them on to deal with an outcome. You bring on AI to deal with individual tasks.” I told him on the spot that’s a quote CEOs could put on their walls, and I meant it. It also points at where this is going. When everyone has AI doing the repetitive work, the human part, the judgment, the relationship, the actual experience, stops being the cheap part and becomes the premium one. Figuring out where AI fits and where your people have to stay is most of what I work on with the leaders I coach. If you want to talk it through, my calendar is here [https://jsalinas.org/call]. One Question to Sit With If you got sick tomorrow and unplugged for two weeks, would your business still be standing when you got back? Sit with the honest answer. Watch the full conversation above, and go subscribe to Taking My Time Back [https://takingmytimeback.substack.com/], Cory’s Substack on helping founders win their time back. About Cory Blumenfeld Cory Blumenfeld [https://substack.com/profile/423652963-cory-blumenfeld] is the Founder and CEO of BlueMoso, a managed virtual assistant service for founders, executives, and agencies, with a vetted talent pool of more than 70 assistants and specialists. He’s a five-time founder with two exits across health tech, fintech, and outsourcing, and he runs his companies remotely from Playa del Carmen. He writes Taking My Time Back [https://takingmytimeback.substack.com/] on Substack. About me Joel Salinas is an Executive AI Coach for leaders at small and mid-sized businesses and nonprofits. 1:1 coaching, team workshops, and AI strategy work built around amplifying what your team is already good at. Creator of the AI Leadership Triad. He writes Leadership in Change. If you want help thinking through your own AI strategy or online presence, start here [https://jsalinas.org/]. Written by a human, for humans. Thank you Ankita Chatrath [https://substack.com/profile/13594119-ankita-chatrath], Janet Macaluso [https://substack.com/profile/49449603-janet-macaluso], and many others for tuning into my live video with Cory Blumenfeld [https://substack.com/profile/423652963-cory-blumenfeld]! Join me for my next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit leadershipinchange.com/subscribe [https://leadershipinchange.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

29. juni 202636 min
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Mallory Erickson: AI, Fundraising, and the Human Work

Much of the AI conversation in the business world, for those who have not used AI much, is some version of: kick your feet up, drink the piña colada, watch your revenue shoot up. I’ve seen that promise up close on the fundraising side of the humanitarian work I do, and on a lot of teams AI is the enemy in the room before it’s anything else. Mallory Erickson [https://substack.com/profile/331047755-mallory-erickson] started exactly where most of her sector started, nervous, protective, sure AI was going to hollow out the most human work there is, and then she built something that does the opposite. She’s spent her whole career on connection, she’s trained over 100,000 fundraisers, and instead of letting AI replace the fundraiser, she flipped the entire thing and made the donor the robot so the human gets to practice. Watch the full conversation above. Also, click below to subscribe on Apple Podcasts! 👇 Outline (0:31) – Bringing AI into deeply human work without hollowing it out (1:03) – From accidental fundraiser to founder of Practivated (2:30) – Why she avoided tech, and the fear that started it (4:16) – Personalization at scale, but for fundraisers (9:26) – The rise of “robot fundraisers” and why it broke her (10:28) – The flip: what if the donor is the robot? (15:50) – Start with the problem, not the AI (21:55) – Rolling AI out to a hesitant team: validate the fear (25:26) – Give your team a stipend to play (31:42) – The results: 280% more human donor touchpoints (32:39) – The LeBron test: the best still put in the reps (38:11) – A charge to practitioners: build what you need My Takeaways The flip. Most AI products aimed at fundraisers are built to replace the fundraiser, the autonomous “robot fundraiser” that writes the appeals and works the donors so you don’t have to. Mallory watched that trend and reacted the way I wish more people would, by refusing it: “If our answer to fundraiser burnout is to replace human fundraisers with robots, we can do so much better than that.” So she flipped it. “What if the fundraiser isn’t the robot? What if the donor is?” Inside Practivated the AI plays the donor, the human role plays the hard conversation, gets scored, and builds the muscle memory before the real ask. I keep coming back to that flip, because it’s the same move every leader should be making, which is to point AI at the practice and the reps instead of at the people doing the work. It’s the version of AI I argued for in Can AI Make You a More Human Leader? [https://leadershipinchange.com/p/can-ai-make-you-a-more-human-leader], and she actually built it. Start with the problem, not the AI. This is the part of the conversation I keep coming back to, because it’s exactly what I tell the executives I coach. Mallory has closed deals lost on purpose, walked away from organizations that came to her wanting “more AI” with no real problem behind it. Her test is simple: what have you been trying to solve that you’ve thrown everything at and still can’t crack, and is there an emerging tool that could finally move it? As she put it, “AI is not the point. The goal is to solve your challenges.” Validate the fear before you roll anything out. I asked her how she’d introduce AI to a team that’s all over the map on it, and her first move surprised me, because it had nothing to do with the tool. She said there shouldn’t be AI adoption without first being ready to acknowledge and validate people’s fear, not to agree that AI is scary, just to give the fear a place to exist before it hardens into resistance. “It’s really important that we’re acknowledging and validating how people feel.” Then she does something I love, she gives her whole team a monthly stipend to just play, with two rules: have a hypothesis going in, and come back and tell the team what you learned. The reps don’t stop because you’re good. The skeptic line Mallory hears most is “I’ve been fundraising for twenty years, I don’t need to practice.” Her answer is the one I’m going to start stealing in my own coaching: “Can you imagine if we said LeBron James is such a good basketball player, he doesn’t need to practice anymore? Simone Biles? Absolutely not. The people at the top of their game are putting in the reps.” And the numbers are backing her up, a 280% increase in human-driven donor touchpoints, onboarding cut from eight weeks to two, ask effectiveness up 33% in the first 30 days. AI didn’t replace the human in any of that, it gave the human a place to practice so they could show up more present when it actually counted. One Question to Sit With Where in your own work are you reaching for AI before you’ve named the problem it’s actually supposed to solve? Mallory’s whole practice is built on refusing to skip that question, and I haven’t stopped chewing on how often the rest of us do. Watch the full conversation above, and then go follow Mallory’s [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mallory-erickson-bressler/] work at Practivated [https://practivated.com/] and her What the Fundraising [https://malloryerickson.com/podcast/] podcast. About Mallory Erickson Mallory Erickson is an executive coach, fundraising consultant, and the host of the What the Fundraising podcast. She has trained over 100,000 fundraisers, co-founded the Fundraising AI initiative, and is the founder of Practivated, an AI practice platform where fundraisers role play donor conversations and get coached on what to do differently next time. Her North Star, in her own words, is improving the lives of fundraisers. You can find her work at practivated.com [https://practivated.com/]. About me Joel Salinas is an Executive AI Coach for leaders at small and mid-sized businesses and nonprofits. 1:1 coaching, team workshops, and AI strategy work built around amplifying what your team is already good at. Creator of the AI Leadership Triad. He writes Leadership in Change. If you want help thinking through your own AI strategy or online presence, start here [https://jsalinas.org/]. Written by a human, for humans. Sidenote… do you write on Substack? 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26. juni 202639 min