David Zahl

Katherine Boyle

Ben and Chris talk with one of the most interesting people in Silicon Valley who isn’t actually in Silicon Valley. Ben’s got morphine fog. Katherine’s got parenting sleep deprivation. Perfect conditions to talk about intergenerational family life, American dynamism, and the case for optimism.

David Zahl

Dave talks with the guys about the problem of replacing faith with the cheap imitations of disordered goods, the need for thick community, the emptiness of striving, and the need for grace. Come for the critique of moral therapeutic deism — stick around for David Foster Wallace’s commencement speech and Emo Philips’ stand-up.

Jack and John Harbaugh

Happy Fathers Day! While Chris is pulled away for journalism stuff, Ben talks about more important things with America’s football family. Jack and John Harbaugh talk about building character, raising families, and living with gratitude. “Who's got it better than us? Nobody!” Listeners: Always run out your pop flies, or Jack Harbaugh will make you — and probably your brother — walk home.

Mitch Daniels

Indiana is better than West Virginia, nobody disagrees — except Chris. Ben, Chris, and the former Governor — and reality TV star? — Mitch Daniels talk about higher education, the need to deliver competency for taxpayers, and the looming debt crisis.

William McRaven

Ben can’t do pull-ups anymore, so it’s a great time to talk to Admiral William McRaven. The guys talk about the fine line between swagger and arrogance, the importance of clear communication, and the way McRaven built his teams of Navy Seals. Lots of conversation about failure as a teacher and McRaven’s top-5 must-read book recommendations. Show Notes: Admiral McRaven's book recommendations: — Marcus Aurelius: Meditations [https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255] — Anton Myrer: Once an Eagle [https://www.amazon.com/Once-Eagle-Anton-Myrer/dp/0062221620] — Erich Maria Remarque: All Quiet on the Western Front [https://www.amazon.com/All-Quiet-Western-Front-Novel/dp/0449213943] — Will Durant — Ella Wheeler Wilcox — Rudyard Kipling — Stephen M. R. Covey: The Speed of Trust: The One Thing That Changes Everything [https://www.amazon.com/SPEED-TRUST-Thing-Changes-Everything/dp/1416549005] — Ian MacHorton: The Hundred Days of Lt. MacHorton [https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Days-Lt-MacHorton/dp/0553126709]