The Future Of Sales Is More Human ft. Tom Dingwall

The Future Of Sales Is More Human ft. Tom Dingwall

In today's episode, I chat with Tom Dingwall, AI Growth Manager at Passionfruit, about why the future of GTM engineering is human connection enabled by AI — not AI replacing humans.  Passionfruit is a freelance marketplace helping companies flexibly resource their teams, with an AI tool (PIP AI) built on top to help marketers free up time from repetitive work and focus on real relationships. Tom's role sits somewhere between SDR and AE — he runs outbound, takes calls, and works deals through to close — and he walks through what that looks like day to day, including how Passionfruit's cold calling unit of four optimizes not just on list quality but on what they're saying in the first few seconds and when they're calling. He makes a strong case for AI as a calendar-clearing tool rather than a headcount-cutting one: use it to find the right companies, research why they're a fit, and then show up to the call with nothing to do but actually connect. We also get into his path — PPE at uni, six months in recruitment, then a co-founder at Passionfruit reached out — and why he ended up in sales specifically because of how human the job is. His predictions for the next few years are clear: companies will split into those that overshoot on AI and lose the human side, those that ignore it and fall behind, and the ones that get the balance right and compound hard. He closes with two pieces of advice: if you don't genuinely enjoy talking to people all day, GTM isn't for you — and if you do, go deep on AI tools, because the people who combine both will be world-class. Enjoy 🙂 (0:00) Introduction to The GTM Engineer Podcast  (0:21) Tom's Role as AI Growth Manager at Passionfruit: SDR, AE, and Everything Between  (1:29) Creative Campaigns and Cold Calling Optimization at Passionfruit  (3:59) How Tom Uses AI to Build Lists — and When He Steps Away From It  (5:18) Why Teams Enabling SDRs With AI Beat Teams Replacing Them  (7:31) Tom's Journey: PPE, Recruitment, and Landing at Passionfruit  (9:49) Predictions: The Three Types of Sales Teams That Will Emerge in the AI Era  (13:35) Advice for Aspiring GTM Engineers: Grit, People Skills, and AI Literacy 🔗 CONNECT WITH TOM 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-dingwall/]  💻 Website [https://www.linkedin.com/company/usepassionfruit/]  🔗 CONNECT WITH SAURAV 🎥 YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/@_sauravgupta/videos] 🐦 X (Twitter) [https://x.com/saguppa] 📸 Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/saurav_salesrobot] 💻 Website [https://www.salesrobot.co/] 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/saurav-g-43b959225]📧 Email - saurabh@salesrobot.co 🙏 LEAVE A REVIEW If you enjoyed listening to The GTM Engineer Podcast, we'd love for you to leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts to help others discover the show :) 👋🏼 GET IN TOUCH You can also reach out with any feedback, ideas or thoughts about the lessons you've learned from the episodes.

Your Offer Matters More Than Your Tools ft. Mohamed Hamdi

In today's episode, I chat with Mohamed Hamdi, GTM Engineer at ISkala Business Solutions, about how clean data and strong offer framing can drive thousands of qualified leads — including 7,000+ interested signups for a single US client.  ISkala builds continuous outbound systems for B2B companies across the MENA region (and select US/UK clients) in SaaS, services, and agency models. Mohamed walks through their Modern Guild case study in detail: the client helps sophomore and junior university students break into finance and consulting internships, and the campaign worked because the offer matched exactly what the audience already wanted. The data source was unconventional — LinkedIn groups where students had publicly left their university emails while asking for internship opportunities, scraped via PhantomBuster, enriched through Clay, and deployed on Dripify. He also breaks down his full campaign process: discovery questionnaires, two-week domain warmup on Smartlead, copy structured around hook → value prop → credibility line → low and high friction CTAs, and their in-house tool InReach which pulls contacts across 30+ vendors including Apollo, ZoomInfo, and BetterContact. We get into his journey into GTM engineering through ISkala's CEO — one of the earliest people to define the role in the MENA region — why LinkedIn groups are one of the most underrated data triggers available today, and how Claude has cut his campaign creation time from four hours down to five minutes. He closes with the same advice he'd give any beginner: learn to build a strong offer first, then learn to work with data. Enjoy 🙂 (0:00) Introduction to The GTM Engineer Podcast  (0:22) What ISkala Business Solutions Does and Who They Serve  (1:43) Modern Guild Case Study: Scraping LinkedIn Groups for University Emails and 7,000+ Signups  (3:52) Full Campaign Build: Data Enrichment, Copy Structure, and Tool Stack  (5:56) Breaking Down the Modern Guild Offer and Why It Worked  (7:47) Mohamed's Path Into GTM Engineering at ISkala  (9:24) AI and Claude: From 4-Hour Campaigns to 5 Minutes  (11:42) Prompt Engineering as the Differentiator in an AI-First Outbound World  (13:26) Advice for Aspiring GTM Engineers: Offer First, Then Data 🔗 CONNECT WITH MOHAMED 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mohamedhamdiperformancemarketing/]  🔗 CONNECT WITH SAURAV 🎥 YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/@_sauravgupta/videos] 🐦 X (Twitter) [https://x.com/saguppa] 📸 Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/saurav_salesrobot] 💻 Website [https://www.salesrobot.co/] 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/saurav-g-43b959225]📧 Email - saurabh@salesrobot.co 🙏 LEAVE A REVIEW If you enjoyed listening to The GTM Engineer Podcast, we'd love for you to leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts to help others discover the show :) 👋🏼 GET IN TOUCH You can also reach out with any feedback, ideas or thoughts about the lessons you've learned from the episodes.

The Next 5 Years Will Change Everything ft. David Tile

In today's episode, I chat with David, founder at Nerdy Joe, about running a sales development agency that blends old school deal-making with engineering—cold calling, door knocking, Clay tables, and workflow automations all under one roof, with a team based in Serbia and a client concentration in B2B manufacturing and business brokerage.  The campaigns he's most proud of aren't the flashiest: a long-term client texting unprompted to say his account manager Teodora is awesome, and a recent acquisition of an agency called CreateUp that brought engineering talent, SOPs, and an official Apollo.io partnership—which is now generating joint marketing, GTM meetups in Toronto and Serbia, and inbound leads from Apollo itself. David's backstory is one of the more colourful on the show: built an SEO content agency from age 20 into a multimillion dollar business, watched ChatGPT nuke it, spent 12 months trying to acquire five different businesses including a $5M ad agency in Boston and a $4M government contracts agency in Tampa—both walked away at the one yard line—before landing on Nerdy Joe, which he bought for next to nothing and has been rebuilding ever since. He also ran 5,000 Twitter accounts 10 years ago doing follow-unfollow cold acquisition and generating 200 leads a month before Twitter caught on and torched all the accounts. His prediction: predicting the next 12-24 months is a fool's errand, but not using AI right now is the equivalent of refusing to use a computer—and he backs it up with a story about running 2,000 Red Cross survey responses through Claude for $13 in credits, work that would have cost $30,000 in junior researcher hours 20 years ago. His advice: get obsessed with sales, stay on the phone, and if you're not steeped in AI every single day, you're already falling behind.  Enjoy 🙂 (0:00) Introduction to The GTM Engineer Podcast  (0:22) What Nerdy Joe Does: Old School Sales Dev Meets Engineering  (2:51) Client Focus: B2B Manufacturing and Business Brokers—Why the Fertile Ground Is There  (9:13) The CreateUp Acquisition and Apollo.io Partnership  (13:14) David's Journey: SEO Empire, ChatGPT Nukes It, Five Failed Acquisitions, Landing on Nerdy Joe  (14:24) 5,000 Twitter Accounts, 200 Leads a Month, and Getting Torched by the Algorithm  (20:54) Predictions: Predicting the Next 24 Months Is a Fool's Errand—But Not Using AI Is Inexcusable  (25:05) The Red Cross Story: $13 in Claude Credits Does $30,000 Worth of Market Research Work  (29:00) Where Is All of This Going? A Science Fiction Answer and a Mainstream One 🔗 CONNECT WITH DAVID 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidtile/]  💻 Website [https://nerdyjoe.com]  🔗 CONNECT WITH SAURAV 🎥 YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/@_sauravgupta/videos] 🐦 X (Twitter) [https://x.com/saguppa] 📸 Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/saurav_salesrobot] 💻 Website [https://www.salesrobot.co/] 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/saurav-g-43b959225]📧 Email - saurabh@salesrobot.co 🙏 LEAVE A REVIEW If you enjoyed listening to The GTM Engineer Podcast, we'd love for you to leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts to help others discover the show :) 👋🏼 GET IN TOUCH You can also reach out with any feedback, ideas or thoughts about the lessons you've learned from the episodes.

It's Easier To Build A Product Than Market One ft. Gunveen Kaur Bedi

In today's episode, I chat with Gunveen, founder at Growzle, about building an offshore marketing team for bootstrapped London startups who need agency-quality GTM work at half the cost—and helping Indian startups expand into the US, UK, and Europe.  The campaign story is a great one: a client handed over a list of 4,000 UK companies and said "go get us calls." Gunveen's team filtered it down to 900 by tracking two signals—whether companies were already using a competitor tool (longer conversion cycle, skip them) and whether they were actively hiring (fast growth means expense management chaos, which is exactly the pain the product solves). Those 900 got personalized emails built from LinkedIn research on leadership posts fed into Clay via the Claude extension, and the open rate came in at 61% against an industry standard of 30-35%. Gunveen's path runs through a B2B SaaS agency in India that analyzed content tonality, a master's in marketing and strategy in London, freelance GTM work with lean startups, and eventually the realization that she kept being the first marketing person on these teams and could build a whole business around that gap. Her prediction: GTM engineering will blow up because it's now easier to build a product than to market it—most companies are just LLM wrappers, and the ones worth billions got there through positioning, not technology. Her advice: understand biopsychology before you touch the tools, research signals properly for each ICP, and build your automation with the mindset of a smart salesperson—the goal is to get someone on a call, not just to send emails.  Enjoy 🙂 (0:00) Introduction to Outbound Wizards  (0:21) What Growzle Does: Offshore Marketing for London Startups, GTM Expansion for Indian Companies  (2:54) The 4,000-to-900 Campaign: Competitor Tech Stack and Hiring Signals, 61% Open Rate  (7:52) Why Fast Hiring Is a Proxy for Expense Management Chaos—and Why That Matters for Deal Quality  (9:06) Gunveen's Journey: India to London, Master's in Marketing, Freelance GTM, Starting Growzle  (11:35) Predictions: GTM Engineering Will Blow Up, Marketing Value Is Rising, Positioning Beats Product  (15:33) Advice: Learn Biopsychology, Research Signals First, Build Automation Like a Smart Salesperson 🔗 CONNECT WITH GUNVEEN 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/gunveen14/]    🔗 CONNECT WITH SAURAV 🎥 YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/@_sauravgupta/videos] 🐦 X (Twitter) [https://x.com/saguppa] 📸 Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/saurav_salesrobot] 💻 Website [https://www.salesrobot.co/] 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/saurav-g-43b959225]📧 Email - saurabh@salesrobot.co 🙏 LEAVE A REVIEW If you enjoyed listening to the podcast, we'd love for you to leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts to help others discover the show :) 👋🏼 GET IN TOUCH You can also reach out with any feedback, ideas or thoughts about the lessons you've learned from the episodes.

The Biggest Markets Are The Easiest To Sell ft. Nick Block

In today's episode, I chat with Nick, founder at Revo GTM, about what cold email looks like when you're sending 20 million emails a month and targeting 100 million by end of year. At that scale, the thinking flips entirely—instead of taking a client and figuring out how to scale them, Nick starts from the infrastructure and asks which markets are actually worth pointing it at.  The answer has been super mass-market B2B: alternative financing, franchising, real estate wholesale, pay-per-call—offers that tens of millions of people immediately understand without any education, where a positive reply already tells you exactly what's going on in their business. The campaigns that work all share the same characteristic: simplicity and a massive TAM. Nick's been using Claude Code to enrich and qualify at a scale that would be impossible manually, running datasets of 10-50 million records headlessly. His path started in e-commerce, moved into direct response copywriting and funnel building when he needed to exit, and landed on cold email when he realized he needed clients—at which point the puzzle pieces clicked. His prediction: headless tech stacks will turn 10-person teams into three-person teams, and the top 1% will pull further ahead because their input now produces 10x the output. His advice: get your hands dirty every single day—be in the WhatsApp groups, the Slack communities, on Twitter, because things move fast enough that just being present and implementing what you see gives you a real edge.  Enjoy 🙂 (0:00) Introduction to Outbound Wizards  (0:21) What Revo GTM Does: Mass Market B2B at 20 Million Emails a Month  (1:38) Thinking Top-Down: Picking Markets That Fit the Infrastructure, Not the Other Way Around  (4:04) What Every Winning Campaign Has in Common: Simplicity, Massive TAM, No Education Required  (6:33) Nick's Journey: E-Commerce to Copywriting to Cold Email Agency Owner  (8:16) Why E-Com People Have a GTM Edge: Full Funnel Thinking, Abandoned Cart Logic in B2B  (10:44) Predictions: Headless Tech Stacks, Services as the New SaaS, Top 1% Pulls Further Ahead  (13:00) Lead Magnets as a Growth Engine: 3.3M Organic LinkedIn Impressions From Five Employee Accounts  (14:17) Advice: Get in the Trenches, Stay in the Right Rooms, Implement Fast 🔗 CONNECT WITH NICK 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-block-bb0741243/]  🔗 CONNECT WITH SAURAV 🎥 YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/@_sauravgupta/videos] 🐦 X (Twitter) [https://x.com/saguppa] 📸 Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/saurav_salesrobot] 💻 Website [https://www.salesrobot.co/] 👥 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/saurav-g-43b959225]📧 Email - saurabh@salesrobot.co 🙏 LEAVE A REVIEW If you enjoyed listening to the podcast, we'd love for you to leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts to help others discover the show :) 👋🏼 GET IN TOUCH You can also reach out with any feedback, ideas or thoughts about the lessons you've learned from the episodes.