#74: The Spark Lives on Stage: Tricia Rose Burt's Resonant Orator Story

#74: The Spark Lives on Stage: Tricia Rose Burt's Resonant Orator Story

If something isn't working in your thought leadership, the explanation most people reach for is effort. They assume they need to try harder, show up more consistently, or commit more fully to the format someone told them would work. What they rarely consider is that the format itself might be the problem. Tricia Rose Burt is an award-winning storyteller who spent years on stages with The Moth, trained storytelling for corporations and private equity firms, and hosts the podcast No Time to Be Timid. She also spent years writing a memoir that never got picked up. A publisher told her, after all of that work, that the spark she had on stage didn't show up on the page. She kept pushing because people kept telling her a book was the right next move. What nobody named was that Tricia is a Resonant Orator with a primary archetype score of 77%, one of the highest scores I have seen in this assessment, and that asking her to channel her stories through a keyboard instead of her voice was a wiring problem dressed up as a discipline problem. This conversation is the first in a series of client interviews I'll be weaving into the show, and I wanted to start here because Tricia's story illustrates something I see over and over again: talent and format mismatch. When we worked through the archetype assessment together, something shifted for her. Not because she suddenly had new information about storytelling, but because she finally had language for why the memoir never landed. The format was wrong. And once that clicked, the archetype became a daily decision filter: how she designed her website, what containers energize her versus drain her, whether she leans toward group facilitation or one-on-one coaching. This is what becomes possible when you stop working against the way you are built and start working with it. IMPACT POINTS FROM THIS EPISODE: ⚡ The way you start does not have to match the way you finish. — For Tricia, writing a memoir felt excruciating because she was trying to begin at the keyboard. Resonant Orators know what they know because they say it out loud, and the creation process has to honor that first. Once she understood her wiring, the path became clear: start with voice, then shape the material into whatever form it needs to take. The final product is not the problem. The starting point usually is. ⚡ Your archetype is a decision filter, not just a label. — Tricia describes using her Resonant Orator score to make everyday decisions: standing up when filming video content, designing her website to lead with her voice, choosing group workshops over isolated solo work. The assessment gave her a lens for reading her own energy and selecting the right containers. When something drains her now, she has a framework for understanding why and a clear direction for what to do instead. ⚡ It is far more painful not to use your voice than to use it. — Tricia spent years being told to stay quiet, and did, until her late 40s. The suppression of her natural expressive mode showed up as exhaustion, misalignment, and work that never seemed to land the way it should. For Resonant Orators especially, staying small has a real cost. The riskiest thing you can do is play it safe, and Tricia built an entire manifesto around the hard-won truth of that. PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED: * Website: Tricia Rose Burt [https://www.triciaroseburt.com/] * Download Tricia's No Time to Be Timid Manifesto [https://www.triciaroseburt.com/manifesto] * No Time to Be Timid podcast [https://www.triciaroseburt.com/podcast] * Tricia Rose Burt on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/user/triciaroseburt] * The Moth [https://themoth.org/] * The Practice: Shipping Creative Work [https://amzn.to/4wc5MRH] by Seth Godin * David Peck [https://www.davidpeck.co/] CONNECT WITH MACY: * Take the Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment: Find Your Archetype [https://assessment.thoughtleaderarchetype.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=showlinks&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=episode] * Follow on Instagram: @macyrobison [https://instagram.com/macyrobison] * Connect on LinkedIn: Macy Robison [https://linkedin.com/in/macyrobison] * Visit: macyrobison.com [https://macyrobison.com/] SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If you loved this episode, please take a moment to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts! Your support helps me reach more thought leaders who are ready to make an impact with their ideas. 🎙 Thanks for tuning in to Own Your Impact!

#73: The Room Reflects: Why You Can't Find Your Signal Alone

I believe getting clear on who you are and being able to hear yourself from the outside are two entirely different things — and the second part requires other people. You can do all the inside work in the world, and you will still need a room to show you what you can't see from in there. Last episode I told you I was heading to Craft and Commerce and I was going to try something — I'd been practicing how to introduce myself, and I said I would return and report. This is the report. For the first day and a half, I bombed. I was over-explaining, I was pushing too hard, I was watching eyes glaze over — doing the exact thing I talk about not doing, over-singing the room. And then, on day two, something shifted. Not because I finally found the words on my own. Because I let the people around me help me find them. A friend saw I was stuck and refused to let me stay stuck. My clients reflected what my work had done for them in language better than I'd been able to use myself. Another friend remembered part of my own story I'd left out. And someone with a gift for this handed me the solution. The intro I hadn't been able to land in years came together in about an afternoon, built almost entirely from other people. The bigger principle underneath all of that is the one I want you to sit with. You can't find your own clearest signal entirely on your own. You're inside your own instrument — you can feel it, but you can't always hear it the way a room can. The inside work matters, and it's the right place to start. But at some point you have to get where other people can hear what you can't, so they can reflect it back and help you strengthen what's already there. IMPACT POINTS FROM THIS EPISODE: ⚡ The room can only show you what's actually there. — Other people can't manufacture a clear signal for you — they can only reflect what you've already built. That's why the inside work and the outside work go hand in hand. You need the inner clarity first, and then you need real people to hear it and respond, because what they reflect back is often the clearest read you'll ever get on what you're actually sending. ⚡ You can't read your own label from inside the jar. — No matter how much you sit with your own work, you will miss things that are obvious to everyone around you. At the conference, my clients described what I do better than I had, my friend remembered a story I'd left out, and someone I'd just met handed me an introduction I'd been looking for for years. The words were already there. I just needed other people to hand them back to me. ⚡ The goal isn't the perfect pitch — it's the perfect invitation. — When I finally led with a question instead of an explanation, everything in my body felt different. I wasn't performing anymore. I was inviting someone into a conversation, and the right people leaned in. That shift, from performing to inviting, is what felt resonance actually looks like in a networking moment, and it's what becomes possible when your signal is clear enough for a room to receive it. PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED: * Craft and Commerce [https://kit.com/conference]  * Clay Hebert, pitch and introduction expert [https://clayhebert.com/] * Madi Waggoner - Building Remote [https://buildingremote.co/] * Layla Pomper - Process Driven [https://processdriven.co/] * Mike Pacchione's Speech Club [https://bestspeech.co/speech-club] * Episode 2: Finding Your Authentic Voice: The Physics of Personal Resonance [https://macyrobison.com/show-notes/finding-your-authentic-voice-the-physics-of-personal-resonance/] * Find Your Frequency workshop: macyrobison.com/workshop [https://macyrobison.com/workshop] * Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment (free): macyrobison.com/quiz [https://macyrobison.com/quiz] CONNECT WITH MACY: * Take the Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment: Find Your Archetype [https://assessment.thoughtleaderarchetype.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=showlinks&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=episode] * Follow on Instagram: @macyrobison [https://instagram.com/macyrobison] * Connect on LinkedIn: Macy Robison [https://linkedin.com/in/macyrobison] * Visit: macyrobison.com [https://macyrobison.com/] SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If you loved this episode, please take a moment to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts! Your support helps me reach more thought leaders who are ready to make an impact with their ideas. 🎙 Thanks for tuning in to Own Your Impact!

#72: Felt Resonance: Carrying Your Signal Into Every Room

I believe the most powerful voices in any room are never the loudest ones. They're the ones who know their resonance well enough to carry it through the door and trust that it will land for the people it's meant to reach. This episode is built around a concept I call felt resonance, and it starts with me describing a 20-year-old video of me singing at a vocal beauty boot camp. In that clip, you can hear the moment the sound locks in — when my posture, breath, and alignment clicked into place and the note stopped being something I was pushing out and started ringing through my whole body. That lock-in feeling is what I want to talk about in this episode, because it's the exact same phenomenon that happens when you show up fully as yourself in your work, and it's what almost everyone trying to share their expertise in the world is missing. Felt resonance isn't a lucky accident. It's a practice, and it's portable. The challenge isn't finding the lock-in once in a practice room. It's carrying that alignment into every different space — a conference, a sales call, a stage, a networking conversation — without letting the size or energy of the room talk you into becoming a louder, bigger, or different version of yourself. The second you start over-singing to fill the room, you knock yourself out of alignment and lose the very resonance that made your signal carry in the first place. This episode is about how to stop doing that, and how to start building a felt reference point steady enough to hold onto no matter where you are. IMPACT POINTS FROM THIS EPISODE: ⚡ You can't carry resonance you've never felt. — Before you can hold your signal steady in a big room, you need a lock-in moment you actually remember — a time when alignment clicked and everything rang. Without that felt reference point, the room wins every time. You end up reading other people for cues and adjusting who you are instead of carrying who you are into the space. ⚡ Over-singing is the thought leadership failure mode no one names. — When a room feels too big, too quiet, or too hard to read, the instinct is to force it — to push louder, over-explain, or perform a bigger version of yourself. Singers call this over-singing, and it destroys resonance. The same thing happens when you let a room pressure you into changing your signal. Alignment breaks, and the clarity you worked for disappears. ⚡ Your presence is the instrument — not your platform, your slides, or your format. — It doesn't matter how polished the production is. What people are drawn to is the aligned, resonant version of you. That's the thing that's portable. Once you know what it feels like to show up as fully yourself, you can carry that into a one-on-one conversation, a podcast, a stage, or a sales call and keep it steady regardless of the context. PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED: * Episode 2: Finding Your Authentic Voice: The Physics of Personal Resonance [https://macyrobison.com/show-notes/finding-your-authentic-voice-the-physics-of-personal-resonance/] * Find Your Frequency workshop: macyrobison.com/workshop [https://macyrobison.com/workshop] * Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment (free): macyrobison.com/quiz [https://macyrobison.com/quiz] CONNECT WITH MACY: * Take the Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment: Find Your Archetype [https://assessment.thoughtleaderarchetype.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=showlinks&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=episode] * Follow on Instagram: @macyrobison [https://instagram.com/macyrobison] * Connect on LinkedIn: Macy Robison [https://linkedin.com/in/macyrobison] * Visit: macyrobison.com [https://macyrobison.com/] SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If you loved this episode, please take a moment to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts! Your support helps me reach more thought leaders who are ready to make an impact with their ideas. 🎙 Thanks for tuning in to Own Your Impact!

#71: The Humble Hero Trap: Hiding Isn't Humility

I believe the experts who have the most to give are often the ones giving the least publicly. Not because they don't care, but because they care too much about their integrity to risk being mistaken for someone hollow. This episode is about a failure mode I see constantly in the work I do with experts, consultants, and thought leaders. I call it the Humble Hero Trap. It's the pattern of backing away from visibility because the loudest, emptiest version of it has poisoned the whole category. If you've ever watched someone with a tenth of your experience build the platform and book the stages, and told yourself you don't really want that anyway — this is the episode I made for you. What I want to name clearly is that hiding and humility are not the same thing. Hiding with a good story about why is still hiding. And when you stay invisible, it isn't just you who loses. It's the specific people who needed the guide that only you could be. The cure is not to become the hollow performer. The cure is to say only the things that could come from you — your specific take, your hard-won story, the thing your field keeps missing. That's not performance. That's the opposite of performance. And it's the one thing someone with presence but no depth genuinely cannot replicate. IMPACT POINTS FROM THIS EPISODE: ⚡ Hiding with a good reason is still hiding. — The "humble hero" label sounds noble, but what lives underneath it is often self-protection dressed in the language of humility. When you stay quiet because you don't want to be perceived as hollow, that's not deference — that's fear. True humility is knowing you have gifts, knowing where they come from, and showing your gratitude by using them in service of other people. Not by playing small about it. ⚡ The empty performer and the silent expert are both failure modes. — Most people see two options: be loud and hollow, or be deep and invisible. But those aren't the only paths available. They're just two ways to do this poorly. There's a third way, and it's the one where visibility becomes service — where showing up publicly is about making what you know findable for the people who need it most. ⚡ The cure for hollow thought leadership is specificity, not silence. — Darren McKee said it simply: if someone else could write it, don't write it. The thing you're allergic to is, by definition, someone saying what anyone could say. But your specific take, your hard-won experience, the thing your field keeps missing — that's not performance. That's the opposite. And it's the one thing someone with presence but no depth cannot replicate. PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED: * Darren McKee, LinkedIn expert [https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrenmckeesales/] * Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment [https://assessment.thoughtleaderarchetype.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=showlinks&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=episode] * Find Your Frequency workshop ($99, live weekly): macyrobison.com/workshop [https://macyrobison.com/workshop] CONNECT WITH MACY: * Take the Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment: Find Your Archetype [https://assessment.thoughtleaderarchetype.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=showlinks&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=episode] * Follow on Instagram: @macyrobison [https://instagram.com/macyrobison] * Connect on LinkedIn: Macy Robison [https://linkedin.com/in/macyrobison] * Visit: macyrobison.com [https://macyrobison.com/] SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If you loved this episode, please take a moment to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts! Your support helps me reach more thought leaders who are ready to make an impact with their ideas. 🎙 Thanks for tuning in to Own Your Impact!

#70: Your Genius Doesn't Need More Room: It Needs the Right Edges

Freedom is not always the gift we think it is. The open field — every direction available, no fences, no paths — is where the most talented people freeze. What actually gets you moving is an edge to push against and a direction to commit to. At 22, teaching eighth graders in Columbus, Ohio, I gave my students total creative freedom on a songwriting project — any style, any key, any length — and every single one of them froze. Two class periods later, not one song was finished. So I came back the next day with constraints: 12 measures, key of C, treble clef, four-four time, start and end on middle C. Every student finished. The songs were good, creative, and completely different from one another. The constraints did not kill their creativity. They unlocked it. That classroom moment is the frame for everything in this episode, because the same thing happens to brilliant, multi-talented experts every day — and the fix is the same. The Resonance Compass gives you two kinds of constraints, and both are tools. The first is your source constraint: the wiring you were handed, the experiences you cannot trade, the genius and frustrations that are built into how you are made. You do not get to choose whether it exists. You only get to choose whether you fight it or honor it. The second is your signal constraint: the direction you choose on purpose, the archetype you commit to in this season, the path you pick so you can finally stop standing at the edge of the field and start moving. Both constraints together are not a fence around your field. They are the path across it. IMPACT POINTS FROM THIS EPISODE: ⚡ A constraint you can name is a constraint you can work with. — For years, Macy thought something was wrong with her discipline. She could get things 90% of the way there and lose steam at the finish line. Planners did not work. Systems did not stick. Then Working Genius named it: sustained tenacity is one of her genuine frustrations. It literally drains her. That was not bad news — it was liberating. The moment she could name the constraint, she stopped fighting it and started designing around it. She stopped building structures that required daily spreadsheet updates and started building alongside people for whom tenacity is a source of genuine energy. Designing around a limit produces more inventive solutions than staring at unlimited options ever did. ⚡ Your archetype is a signal constraint you choose — and the choosing is the whole point. — The world is open. You could technically build any way you want. But when every direction is equally available, no direction calls you forward, and the most talented people do the least. A signal constraint is the direction you commit to on purpose so you can finally move. When Macy chose to honor her archetype blend — transformational guide, resonant orator, strategic advisor — a whole set of directions came off the field. Not because they were impossible, but because she picked a direction to go. The moment she chose, she started moving. The moment you start moving, you start getting data. And data is what makes every decision after that sharper and more clearly yours. ⚡ The confidence you see in people who own their voice is not a personality trait. It is honored constraint worn visibly. — That certainty — the thought leaders you watch who show up unapologetically, so sure of their voice — that did not come first. Confidence is the product of courage exercised. It compounds from choosing constraints, building inside them, getting data back, making the next decision, and doing it again. What you are looking at when you see someone that sure of themselves is someone who stopped fighting the edges they were handed and started using them. That is what is on the other side of this — not a smaller life, a surer one. PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED: * Take the Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment: Find Your Archetype [https://assessment.thoughtleaderarchetype.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=showlinks&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=episode] * Attend a Find Your Frequency workshop [https://macyrobison.com/workshop] — limited to 10 people per session * The Six Types of Working Genius [https://www.workinggenius.com/] * Episode 66: Your Archetype Is a Starting Line, Not a Ceiling [https://macyrobison.com/show-notes/episode-66-your-archetype-is-a-starting-line-not-a-ceiling/] CONNECT WITH MACY: * Take the Thought Leadership Archetype Assessment: Find Your Archetype [https://assessment.thoughtleaderarchetype.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=showlinks&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=episode] * Follow on Instagram: @macyrobison [https://instagram.com/macyrobison] * Connect on LinkedIn: Macy Robison [https://linkedin.com/in/macyrobison] * Visit: macyrobison.com [https://macyrobison.com/] SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If you loved this episode, please take a moment to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts! Your support helps me reach more thought leaders who are ready to make an impact with their ideas. 🎙 Thanks for tuning in to Own Your Impact!