Shaping Work: Rethinking How We Work and Build Together

Building New Systems Without Breaking Trust | Shaping Work Podcast

31 min · 2. feb. 2026
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This episode explores what it really takes for innovation to hold once it hits the job site. Jill Barrett talks with Vitruvian founder Chris Sentz about housing, labor and why leadership only counts when systems give people real agency, ownership and trust under pressure.

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