Episode 33: Randall Cloe, Cloe Legal, LLC

Episode 33: Randall Cloe, Cloe Legal, LLC

Before Randall Cloe ever set foot in a courtroom, he spent a decade in marketing and advertising, rising to Assistant Creative Director. In this episode of Behind the Brand, hosts Bob Paden and Adam Hayes sit down with Randall, owner of Cloe Legal, LLC, to trace the winding path that took him from graphic design to law school, and why a high school teacher's offhand comment about becoming a lawyer stuck with him for over a decade before he finally acted on it. Randall opens up about the career whiplash that pushed him toward law: losing his job the same week his agency lost its biggest client, and a gut-check lunch with a mentor that didn't go the way he expected. He explains how a decade of personality tests kept pointing to "attorney" long before he was ready to listen, and how his advertising background, reading client pain points and crafting solutions, turned out to be the perfect training ground for legal work. The conversation digs into how Randall found his niche after trying, and ruling out, criminal law, probate, and family law, eventually landing on cradle-to-grave legal services for small businesses. He shares his vision for a 25-year practice built around helping business owners launch, grow, and eventually transition their companies, keeping them thriving in the community long after ownership changes hands. If you've ever wondered how creativity and law intersect, or you're a small business owner thinking about the long game, this episode is for you.

Episode 32: Angie Stocklin, Angel Investor

What do you do when a psychology degree leads you to accidentally build a multi-million dollar e-commerce empire? For Angie Stocklin, the answer was everything, from midnight website builds to a $15M exit to Foster Grant. In this episode of Behind the Brand, hosts Bob Paden and Adam Hayes sit down with Angie Stocklin, entrepreneur, angel investor, and Purdue faculty member, to trace one of the most unexpected founder journeys you'll hear. What started as a $5-per-letter affiliate website called MailFromSantaClaus.com snowballed into One Click, a thriving eyewear brand that dominated early Google search rankings, grew to 70+ employees, and ultimately sold to a Luxottica subsidiary in 2018. Angie opens up about the milestones that made it feel "real", the first non-family hire, the first employee insurance plan, the matching shirts. She shares the hard lessons from her acquisition experience: what she negotiated fiercely, what she trusted too easily, and why asking "how do you see this working?" could have changed everything. She also gets candid about the emotional aftermath of exiting, the grief, the identity loss, and the therapy it took to rebuild. Today, Angie channels her founder experience into nine angel investments, a teaching role inspiring the next generation of entrepreneurs, and maybe, just maybe, a future startup studio for first-time musicians. This is a story about accidental entrepreneurship, intentional exits, and what comes after the wire hits the bank.

Episode 31: Chris Cox, Chimney Solutions Indiana

What does a chimney have in common with your home's foundation? More than you'd think, and ignoring it could cost you tens of thousands of dollars. In this episode of Behind the Brand, hosts Bob Paden and Adam Hayes sit down with Chris Cox, Founder of Chimney Solutions Indiana, to pull back the curtain on one of the most overlooked systems in your home. Chris built his Indianapolis-based branch of the nationally recognized Chimney Solutions brand in 2016, bringing with him a background that started not in construction, but in rock climbing. That same comfort with heights and precision work has shaped how he leads his team and serves homeowners across central Indiana. In this conversation, Chris breaks down everything from EPA wood-burning regulations and the difference between a wood stove and an open fireplace, to why a single brick can hold a cup and a half of water, and what that means for your chimney after three days of Indiana rain. He explains why painted chimneys are a hidden disaster, how creosote buildup leads to chimney fires, and what homeowners should actually expect to spend on a quality fireplace installation. Chris also shares how annual inspections protect home sale transactions, why builder-grade fireplaces are a disservice to high-end homes, and the intrinsic value a well-maintained fireplace adds to a household, from cozy memories to real estate negotiating power. Whether you're a homeowner, a real estate professional, or just someone who's wondered what's really going on up on that roof, this episode is packed with practical insight from someone who truly knows the industry from the ground up, and from the rooftop down.

Episode 30: Scott Flood, Scott Flood Writing

What does it really take to make people act? According to Scott Flood, it starts with emotion, and most businesses are getting that completely wrong. In this episode of Behind the Brand, hosts Bob Paden and Adam Hayes sit down with Scott Flood, Founder of Scott Flood Writing, a copywriter with over 40 years of experience helping companies find and tell their most compelling stories. Scott's career began in Chicago advertising agencies before he eventually moved to Indianapolis and launched his own business in 1995, where he's been crafting copy for a wide range of clients ever since. Scott and the guys dig into the most common misconception business owners have about writing ("I went to college, I can write!"), Why copywriting is fundamentally different from every other kind of writing, and how the best marketing speaks directly to the heart before it ever reaches the brain. Scott argues that even the most analytical decision-makers, attorneys, accountants, and actuaries are driven first by emotion and only then by logic. And if your marketing isn't built around that reality, you're already behind. The conversation also explores Scott's love of case studies, why they're the most underused tool in B2B marketing, and the method he uses to uncover stories that clients didn't even know they had, by walking in completely ignorant and asking every "dumb" question he can think of. It's a candid, practical, and genuinely fascinating look at the craft of persuasion, and what it really means to connect with an audience.

Episode #29: Derek Magee, Magee Financial Group

What does it take to bet on yourself when you have a mortgage, three kids under four, and no guaranteed paycheck waiting on the other side? In Episode 29, hosts Bob Paden and Adam Hayes sit down with Derek Magee, CPA and Founder of Magee Financial Group, for an honest, grounded conversation about faith, family, and the leap from employee to entrepreneur. Derek's story starts where most do: heads down, learning the craft. After years at Donovan CPAs gaining wide-ranging experience in tax, audit, and the business side of running a firm, Derek found himself at a crossroads. A growing family, a desire for flexibility, and a fast-growing community in Whitestown, Indiana pointed him toward something bigger: starting his own CPA firm from scratch. But Derek is quick to give credit where he believes it's due. From the very beginning, he and his wife surrendered the firm to God, and that peace, he says, has carried them through the uncertainty of startup life. Whether it's leaving the office for a family lunch two minutes away or simply not having to answer to a clock, Derek has found that the "richness of life" he was chasing isn't always measured in dollars. He also opens up about the CPA profession's looming talent crisis, how he serves families not just as their tax guy but as a financial navigator, and the mindset shift that made him stop talking about starting a business, and actually start one. This episode is equal parts practical and personal. If you've ever thought about going out on your own, this one's for you.