After 10 Years Together, We Still Don't Know Each Other

Why Are You On Instagram But Wont Let Your Kid Look At Screens?

EPISODE SUMMARY: Your kid watches 30 minutes of TV and suddenly you're a bad parent. But here's what nobody's talking about: the control, the shame, the perfectionism... it's not protecting your child. It's killing your marriage. In this episode, Kristen and Roger unpack their journey from being the judgiest parents who swore they'd never let their daughter watch screens—to realizing that their extreme "holistic" values were actually hurting their family. Kristen's first year postpartum was marked by crippling anxiety and control around every choice (screens, sugar, formula, toys)—a perfectionism that escalated into postpartum psychosis. Roger watched his wife become a manager instead of a partner. And their marriage... suffered. They're breaking down: Why the holistic community has taken control to a toxic extreme The difference between healthy boundaries and trauma-driven perfectionism How control kills feminine energy and polarity in your marriage The real reason parents shame each other about screen time (spoiler: it's not about the kids) What they're actually doing with their daughter now (moderation, not martyrdom) Why your kid will find something to blame you for anyway—so you might as well enjoy dinner This is for the mom who's drowning in guilt. The couple whose marriage is suffering because one partner controls everything. The parent ready to let go of the performance and actually enjoy their family. KEY INSIGHTS & TALKING POINTS 1. Control is a Trauma Response, Not Virtue Perfectionism doesn't come from being "a good parent." It comes from inherited beliefs that you have to be perfect to be worthy. For Kristen, this belief spiraled into postpartum psychosis—when fear and control reached their breaking point. The question isn't "how do I be perfect?"—it's "where is this coming from?" 2. Perfectionism in Parenting = Loss of Polarity in Marriage When a mom is in constant control-mode (managing the child, managing the husband, managing everything), she loses her softness, her femininity, her magnetism. She becomes a manager instead of a partner. Roger couldn't be close to her. They couldn't connect. The irony? Letting go creates the space for real intimacy. 3. The Holistic Community Has Created a New Perfectionism "Holistic" used to mean "whole person." Now it means extreme—no seed oils, no formula, no screens, no synthetic anything. But holistic people are stressed, anxious, and teaching their kids that suffering is noble. What happened to balance? 4. You're Teaching Your Kid What Matters (Accidentally) When you restrict screens in extreme ways, you're often teaching: "You need to be perfect to be worthy. Your comfort doesn't matter. Sacrifice > joy." When you model moderation, you're teaching something radically different: "We can enjoy things AND be responsible. Balance exists. You're worthy even when you fail." 5. The Shame Cycle Is Real—And It's Not About the Kid Parents get defensive about screen time because they feel shame. The shame often comes from social media judgment and the pressure to be perceived as the "right kind of parent." But this performance is exhausting. And your kid will judge you anyway (Kristen's honest: her kids complained about things she did 100% right). 6. Moderation With Discernment Beats Extremes The goal isn't "zero screens forever" or "screens all day." It's observing YOUR child, YOUR family, YOUR values, and making decisions from discernment, not fear. Kristen's daughter is visually stimulated and actually learns from watching shows. Other kids run circles and ignore screens. Both are normal. FRAMEWORKS DISCUSSED The Polarity Principle: Control-energy (masculine, managing, fearful) pushes partners away. Trust-energy (feminine, soft, present) creates attraction. You can't be in control-mode AND have a thriving marriage. Something has to give. The Moderation Model: Instead of black/white thinking ("screens are evil" vs. "unlimited screens"), ask: What does discernment look like for MY family? What are my actual values? What am I doing from fear vs. from wisdom? The Generational Transmission: You're not just parenting your kid—you're showing them how to be human. If you're stressed, controlled, and resentful, that's what they inherit. If you're flexible, present, and enjoying your life... that's the real legacy. CALL TO ACTION If this landed, share it with your partner. Or better yet, listen together and actually talk about it. (Yes, this is relationship work disguised as parenting advice.) Want more tools for breaking cycles and building real connection in your marriage? Check out [8 Money Dates] [https://8moneydates.com/]and [Marriage & Money] [https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/moneymarriage]—both are designed to help couples move from control and resentment to collaboration and intimacy. Subscribe to We Love Our Family... But Damn so you don't miss an episode. We're talking about all the hard stuff—money, parenting, boundaries, polarity, legacy. Everything that matters. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bykristenlee.substack.com/subscribe [https://bykristenlee.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

He Was More Attracted to Her After She Had the Baby (Not Less)

This is a bonus episode with us interviewing our friends Keith & Erin on vacationKeith and Erin met at Delta Sonic (a large car wash/oil change facility) in Buffalo—they knew each other for two years before dating. The story gets deeper when Erin shares that she had her first son at 17, and Keith was notably more attracted to her when she returned from maternity leave, not less. This seemingly simple detail opens a conversation about motherhood, maturity, real attraction, and what it means to choose someone through their transformation. Over 18 years together, they've navigated alcohol addiction, changing their entire friend circle, early parenthood stress, and seasons of disconnect. Keith's alcohol journey is particularly candid—not the "hit rock bottom" narrative, but the fear-based wake-up: a friend telling him "a deadbeat dad doesn't wake up one day as a deadbeat dad; there's a process of getting there." That scared him straight. No DUI, no AA—just a clear look at the future and a choice to change. This episode is about legacy, values, staying on the same team through rough patches, and what 18 years of marriage actually looks like when you're willing to be brutally honest about the hard seasons. Key Insights & Talking Points 1. Motherhood Increases Attraction, Not Decreases It Keith saw Erin transform from a young employee to a mother—she "went from kid to adult." For him, watching her navigate motherhood, step into maturity, and rebuild herself increased his attraction. This reframes everything about what men find attractive in long-term partnerships: not decreased responsibility or life experience, but the strength and growth that comes with it. 2. "You're Not Against Each Other; You're Together" When marriages hit rough patches, couples often slip into opponent mode—blame, defensiveness, separate agendas. Erin emphasizes that the fundamental shift is remembering: this is us against the problem, not you against me. Even when navigating addiction, friend circle changes, and parenting stress, staying on the same team transforms how you move through challenges. 3. The Alcohol Pivot Wasn't Rock Bottom; It Was Future Vision Keith's story challenges the "you have to hit rock bottom" narrative. He quit drinking without a DUI, without AA, without crisis. Instead, a friend's words (about how you become a deadbeat dad slowly) + looking at his future + looking in the mirror = clarity. He asked himself: "What do I want my life to look like, and how am I going to get there if I'm still living with these habits?" That's decision-making based on vision, not crisis. 4. Changing Your Friend Circle Is Changing Your Life When Keith decided to quit drinking, he realized he needed to change his circle. Some friends stayed (he doesn't regret the people, just the path). But the willingness to outgrow your social circle—even when you're "showing up" as a dad and husband—is what allows real transformation. You can't transform into something new if you're still surrounded by the old environment. 5. Rough Patches Last Longer Than a Full House Episode This line is gold: "The rough patches last longer than an episode of Full House." Expectations matter. Couples think conflict resolves in 30 minutes or an episode of a sitcom. Real marriage rough patches are seasons—sometimes years—of navigating misalignment, addiction, parenting stress, disconnection. Knowing this is normal and okay changes how you approach it. 6. Values Are the Roots; Legacy Is Everything Built From Them Erin talks about legacy like an architect: "If those roots are deep, then everything you build and create is an extension of that." Legacy isn't one big decision; it's the cumulative weight of decisions rooted in clear values. For them: values include being in healthy relationship, connection, and breaking cycles (being cycle breakers). 7. You're Not the Same Person Every Few Years—And That's the Point Both Keith and Erin reference how you change. "The person you marry is going to change every few years, as are you." The invitation isn't to fight that change or resent it—it's to grow together through it. The couples who make it are the ones who can say: "I'm choosing you again, even though you're different now." 8. Connection and Intimacy Deepen After Hard Seasons The throughline in their story: they came out the other side of their rough patches more connected, not more distant. The intimacy and depth in their relationship strengthened because they navigated hard things together. This reframes struggle as not something that breaks you, but something that builds you—if you stay on the same team. Key Frameworks & Ideas Attraction & Maturity: Real attraction in long-term relationships is rooted in witnessing growth, resilience, and transformation—not just physical appearance. Team vs. Opponents: The fundamental choice in rough patches is whether you're working together (team) or against each other (opponents). Values-Based Decision Making: Every major life change (quitting drinking, changing friends, shifting parenting approach) is rooted in clear values and vision. Seasons Not Episodes: Reframe rough patches as seasons that last months or years, not sitcom episodes that resolve in 30 minutes. Legacy = Values + Consistency: Legacy is built through consistent alignment with your values, compounded over time. Call-to-ActionThere is no CTA, this was a spur of the moment podcast conversation This is a public episode. 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After 10 Years Together, We Still Don't Know Each Other

We just returned from a week-long family vacation in Mexico—rated an 8 out of 10 overall. But mid-vacation, we got into a significant conflict that revealed something critical: vacation doesn't fix your marriage; it reveals where you've stopped working on it. The fight started over a seemingly small moment—different expectations about how the day would unfold, miscommunication about Kristen's need for space, and Roger feeling abandoned while solo-parenting. It escalated into snappiness, blame, and reactivity. But instead of spiraling, they used tools they've been practicing to pause, take space, and actually repair. This episode is about what that conflict revealed, how they navigated it, and why couples after 10+ years together are still discovering new things about each other—and why that's a gift, not a failure. Key Insights & Talking Points 1. Vacation Reveals, Doesn't Fix Vacation doesn't make your marriage better; it shines a light on where you've stopped doing intentional work. Your guard goes down, your routines disappear, old patterns re-emerge. This is information, not failure. 2. "Different Stories of Reality" — The Game-Changer After 10 years together, Kristen and Roger still had completely different versions of what was happening. Roger's story: "I'm watching our daughter alone while my wife abandons me." Kristen's story: "I'm resting because I'm exhausted; he knows I'm not a water person." Neither story is wrong—they're just misaligned. Couples who can name this pattern stop blaming and start discovering. 3. The Assumption Trap Kristen assumed Roger knew she's not a water person and can't be in a pool for 6 hours straight. Roger assumed they'd plan the day together. Neither communicated. The lesson: after a decade, you're still learning. Don't assume—ask. 4. Pause Before Reacting When Roger found her asleep in the cabana, he got snappy instead of curious. When Kristen heard snappiness, she matched it. But they both paused before it escalated. The pause is where intentionality lives. 5. Space Isn't Avoidance; It's Regulation For Kristen (who wants to talk immediately), learning to give space feels unsafe. For Roger (who gets flooded), space is necessary for his nervous system to come back online. Both are valid. They trusted each other through the discomfort and re-engaged the next day aligned. 6. Containers Keep You Running, Not Coasting They normally do a spiritual practice together nightly (David Geum/Kabbalah work). On vacation, they stopped. That's when coasting began. Containers—structured co-learning practices, rituals, intentional time—are what keep couples running together in the same direction instead of drifting. Examples: 8 Money Dates, spiritual practices, couples therapy, date nights with intention. 7. The Work Never Stops People think milestones (getting married, having kids) will fix the relationship. The truth: there is no endpoint. You work on your marriage intentionally, every day. It's not a chore if you reframe it as being intentional about what you're creating together. 8. Conflict on Vacation = Permission, Not Catastrophe It's summer. Couples are traveling with kids, families, partners. Airports, road trips, heat, dysregulation—it all triggers old patterns. This episode is permission to see conflict as diagnostic (revealing), not catastrophic (relationship-ending). Key Frameworks & Ideas Different Stories of Reality: Long-term couples hold divergent narratives about the same shared experience. Naming this dissolves blame and creates curiosity. Containers vs. Coasting: Structured co-learning practices keep couples aligned and intentional. Without them, you drift. Pause, Space, Trust, Repair: The arc of moving from reactivity to intentionality in conflict. Attachment Styles Matter: Kristen wants immediate repair (protest behavior); Roger needs space to regulate (withdrawn behavior). Neither is wrong. Understanding each other's needs transforms the conflict. Call-to-Action End of episode CTA (read aloud by Roger or Kristen): "If something in this conversation resonated, share it with your partner and talk about it together. This summer, if you and your partner are traveling and conflict shows up, remember: it's not a sign your relationship is broken. It's a sign you need to come back to your intentional practices. And if you want to create a real container for alignment and discovery, check out 8 Money Dates [http://8moneydates.com]—eight structured conversations to get on the same page emotionally and financially. Because running together is so much more pleasant than coasting. Subscribe and join us in the next episode." This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bykristenlee.substack.com/subscribe [https://bykristenlee.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

How 8 Dates Doubled Our Income & Our Intimacy

Today's launch day for 8 Money Dates [https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/8-money-dates-nt4p3fyv], and Kristen sits down with Roger—the man who lived this experience while she built it—to reveal what happens when couples turn money conversations into emotional breakthroughs. The episode opens with a story: Roger's friend came over to the house and literally offered to pay Kristen to design his dates. That moment crystallized a pattern Kristen had been noticing: men want to please their partners but feel dreadful about the logistics. Women want to feel pursued and seen. And when that need goes unmet, the dynamic shifts—she nags, he withdraws, and they're no longer running together. 8 Money Dates [https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/8-money-dates-nt4p3fyv] isn't a Pinterest board or a ChatGPT suggestion. It's an 8-date journey with a sequence and method—visionary, emotional, practical, and transformational. Roger went from skeptical ("Can talking about money actually be a date?") to all-in ("This is a no-brainer"). Kristen breaks down why money is the #1 predictor of divorce but also the biggest opportunity for aligned couples to exponentially grow their wealth, their connection, and their legacy. The conversation also covers who this is for (couples tired of surface-level dating, stuck on money conversations, ready to feel pursued and to lead), who it's not for (couples in crisis, needing therapy instead), and why you can't DIY this even if you wanted to. By the end, Roger shares what shifted: clarity, fun, deeper connection, and a level of intimacy that has nothing to do with logistics. KEY INSIGHTS & TALKING POINTS 1. The Pursuit-Avoidance Spiral Women want to feel pursued and seen. Men want to please their partners but don't know how. When women feel unseen, they nag more and become the pursuer. When men feel the weight of "figuring it out," they withdraw. This dynamic repeats until couples feel disconnected. 2. Men Are Literally Built Different (And That's OK) Men are more literal, practical, and solution-oriented. That's not a flaw—it just means they need a structure to tap into their desire to connect. Roger's skepticism turned to enthusiasm the moment he had a blueprint he could follow. 3. Money Is More Than Money Money is the #1 predictor of divorce. But when couples are aligned and running together on financial goals, they don't just fix the money problem—they exponentially grow their wealth, their sense of partnership, and their ability to build a real legacy. 4. The Difference Between Dates & Breakthroughs Surface-level dates keep the spark alive. 8 Money Dates is emotional architecture. The sequence matters. The vulnerability matters. The progression from visionary (emotional) to practical (clarity on numbers, budgets, goals) to transformation (acting together) is what shifts the dynamic. 5. Sexy Comes From Alignment Roger: "After we went through these dates, we just wanted to jump each other." Kristen: "You get on this high because you just connected on something that was always a struggle." Money mastery = intimacy. 6. Real Wealth Is Built in Small Moments Every couple that goes through this is choosing awareness over reaction, alignment over ego, growth over comfort. That's how you shift your family's trajectory. That's real wealth. FRAMEWORKS & IDEAS DISCUSSED The Dreadful Dichotomy Men experience date planning as dreadful because it requires: unique ideas, making each date meaningful, planning before/after activities, and perfectionism. This energy drain makes them want to pay instead of plan. The Pursuit-See-Lead Model For men: This is how you pursue your wife (she gets to feel chosen). For women: This is how you get your husband to initiate and lead (you get to feel seen). Both partners win. Aligned vs. Absent When buying a house or pursuing any big goal, couples either run together (both involved, on same page, moving at same pace) or one partner leads and the other is absent. Aligned couples move faster and build more wealth. The Visionary + Practical Combo First date (visionary): big-picture dreams, no judgment, just possibility. Most recent date (practical): spreadsheets, budgets, debt payoff plans, clarity. The combination = transformation. CALL-TO-ACTION If something in this conversation resonated, don't just think about it—buy 8 Money Dates [https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/8-money-dates-nt4p3fyv]. [https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/8-money-dates-nt4p3fyv] Share it with your partner. Be the first one to say, "Hey, I bought something really cool for us to experience and do it together." Plan that first date. Do it. This is how legacy is built: small, conscious moments where you choose awareness over reaction, alignment over ego, and growth over comfort. Every time you respond differently, you shift your entire family's trajectory. Subscribe to We Love Our Family But Damn so you never miss an episode on marriage, money, parenting, and real wealth. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bykristenlee.substack.com/subscribe [https://bykristenlee.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

Look At Your Bank Statement...That's What You And Your Partner Actually Value

EPISODE SUMMARY: It's not the money. It's never been the money. When couples fight about finances, they're really fighting because they don't know what they each actually value—and they're not being honest about what their current choices reveal. This episode walks you through the uncomfortable, honest exercise that transforms couple finances: looking at your real spending patterns and getting clear on what you're embodying (not aspiring to). You'll also learn the Money Dashboard framework—a way to let both partners protect what matters to them without forcing alignment or building resentment. KEY INSIGHTS & TALKING POINTS: Values Are What You're Actually Doing, Not What You Aspire To Values are embodied, not theoretical. They're revealed through your actual behavior, choices, and spending—right now. Aspirations are dreams (becoming a millionaire, being more authentic). Values are the life you're currently living. Most couples don't even know their own values because they've never sat down and gotten honest about them. Your Bank Statement Is Your Values Mirror Pull your last 90 days of transactions. What patterns do you see? That's what you value. You can't argue with a bank statement. It's factual, unemotional data. Exercise: Use ChatGPT or Claude to analyze your spending and ask, "Based on my transactions, what do I actually value?" Most Couples Didn't Know What They Valued (And It Caused Friction) Before Kristen and Roger got clear on values, they "butted heads" constantly. They had competing, unstated values with no framework for understanding why they made different choices. The GPS metaphor: You can't reach a destination if you don't know where you're starting from. The Money Dashboard: Cut Back on What Doesn't Light You Up Imagine your money like a car dashboard with different dials. You each get to control where your money goes. Don't cut back on everything equally (that's deprivation mode and breeds resentment). Cut back on the stuff that doesn't light you up anyway. Protect the spending that lights each of you up. This removes shame and puts couples in agency mode instead of sacrifice mode. Autonomy + Curiosity = The Secret Sauce You don't have to share the same values to respect each other's. Respect over agreement. Roger doesn't value travel the way Kristen does, but he gets curious about her value. That's balance. It's not "you do your thing, I do mine." It's autonomy + companionship + curiosity about what matters to your partner. Values Change—And That's Okay (But You Have to Communicate) What you valued at 25 might not be what you value at 35. Have an annual couples retreat to check in: "What's changed? What do I not value anymore?" Don't let resentment build in silence. Name it when your values shift. Legacy Is Built Intentionally, Not by Coasting Most couples never get clear on values, so they drift, perform, or repeat patterns. When you understand your values, you reach your goals faster because you know where you're actually starting from. Real wealth isn't net worth—it's emotional security, unity at home, and building something your kids can stand on. KEY FRAMEWORKS DISCUSSED: Values vs. Aspirations: The difference between what you're doing right now and what you wish you were doing The Bank Statement Exercise: Pulling 90 days of transactions to identify patterns and reveal your real values The Money Dashboard: A visual metaphor for letting each partner control spending that aligns with their individual values The GPS Metaphor: You need to know where you're at (your values) before you can plan where you're going (your goals) Autonomy + Curiosity + Companionship: The three ingredients for couples with different values CALL TO ACTION: This episode is framework-level work. If you want to go deeper with your partner—really embody these principles and do the work together—check out the Marriage and Money course [https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/moneymarriage] https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/moneymarriagewhere Kristen breaks down the frameworks in detail, plus the 8 Money Dates [https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/8-money-dates-nt4p3fyv] https://stan.store/leemansourian/p/8-money-dates-nt4p3fyv(interactive, somatic couple experiences designed to help you do this work together). Pull up your bank statements, get curious, and have this conversation with your partner. Then share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. Legacy isn't built in one big decision—it's built in small, conscious moments, like this one. Subscribe so you don't miss the next episode. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bykristenlee.substack.com/subscribe [https://bykristenlee.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]