Down the Rabbit Hole

Episode 19: Following the Creative Thread: Live from Paris

We're recording live from Ledger Studio in Paris while we prepare to lead a creative retreat, reflecting on the strange and beautiful paths that creativity can pull us down when we actually listen to it, and follow the threads. In this episode, we share a few ridiculous moments from life on the road, the unexpected places creativity has taken us, and how learning to trust your intuition can completely reshape both your art and your life. We explore what it means to follow the thread as artists, even when the next step doesn't fully make sense yet, and how that willingness can lead to the most unexpected places. 00:00 Welcome to Paris: Setting the Scene 01:51 The Reality of Travel: Glamour vs. Exhaustion 05:56 Creativity and Intuition: Following the Threads 09:06 Micro Decisions: The Power of Small Choices 11:53 Trusting Your Intuition: The Creative Journey 15:04 Origin Stories: The Importance of Your Journey 17:43 Rediscovering the Artistic Thread 20:44 The Impact of Travel on Artistic Growth 25:42 The Power of Following Intuition 31:02 Embracing the Unconventional Journey 38:27 Healing Through Ritual and Community

Episode 18: The Birth of Body Is the Blueprint

We're introducing Body Is the Blueprint, our new embodiment institute born from years of navigating the art world, questioning stability, and redefining what it means to build a sustainable creative life. In this episode, we unpack the myth of the "fragile artist," share the moments where conscious embodiment shifted our lives, and explore how learning to trust the body became the foundation for everything we've created. This is the origin story, not just of a business, but of a new way of living, creating, and leading. This episode is the beginning of something new. We're sharing the story behind Body Is the Blueprint, how our experiences as artists, the challenges of being taken seriously, and the deeper pull toward embodiment led us here. It's about the moments that shaped us, the risks we took, and the inner knowing we learned to trust. If you've ever felt the tension between creativity and visibility, this is for you. 00:00 Introduction and Exciting Announcement 03:34 The Launch of 'The Body is the Blueprint' 07:26 The Misunderstanding of Multi-Dimensional Creativity 11:09 The Fear of Being Taken Seriously as an Artist 14:23 Outsourcing Life Decisions and Its Consequences 18:27 The Journey of Embodiment and Disconnection 23:06 The Power of Community and Women Gathering 27:02 The Creative Piece in Embodiment 31:14 Confidence Through Movement and Art 34:59 The Political Nature of Disembodiment 38:05 Reconnecting with the Body 43:13 The Power of Community and Shared Experiences 47:17 Moments of Awakening and Transformation 54:04 Embodiment and Personal Truth 59:12 Cultural Disconnection and the Quest for Identity 01:03:07 Exploring Whimsy and Animal Archetypes

Episode 17: The Fear Economy and the Systems That Keep Us Small

This episode explores how fear is embedded into the systems that shape our lives....and who benefits from it. Sam and Bri talk about how fear influences major life transitions, creativity, relationships, influencer culture, capitalism, and even the stories we inherit from past generations. From compliance culture to codependency, we unpack how insecurity is often reinforced because it keeps us consuming, comparing, and doubting ourselves. They talk very personally about their own visbility wounds, relationship patterns, and fears. They also explore how platonic relationships, individual healing, astrology, and creativity help us step outside of fear-based thinking and reclaim agency. Because when we become aware of how fear operates, we stop participating in it — and start building lives rooted in trust, self-expression, and empowerment. Bonus conversations include: What the hell are men spending their money on? How can women be gold diggers if there's no gold? Cathartic scream-singing sessions in cars, very invasive dermotoligst appointments... And more! This conversation is about recognizing the systems that profit from our insecurity… and choosing something different. 00:00 Moving and Life Transitions 05:51 Art, Community, and Emotional Release 10:49 Fear and Compliance Culture 14:53 Creativity, Self-Expression, and Societal Expectations 24:25 Navigating Capitalism and Insecurity Culture 32:18 The Role of Women in Influencer Culture 39:44 Inheritance Culture and Generational Narratives 50:54 Fear in Relational Culture and Self-Worth 55:57 The Impact of Codependency on Relationships 01:01:05 The Importance of Platonic Relationships 01:06:25 The Role of Individual Healing in Collective Change 01:14:14 Astrology as a Tool for Understanding Life 01:19:40 Harnessing Whimsy and Creativity for Empowerment

Episode 16: The Aesthetic of Obedience in Beauty Standards: Clean Girl, Trad Wives & the Return of Skinny Culture

In this episode of Down the Rabbit Hole, we unpack the cultural moment we're living in—and how beauty standards are never just about beauty. From the rise of the clean girl aesthetic to the rebranding of trad wife culture, we explore how discipline, control, and obedience are being repackaged as aspirational lifestyles. What looks like "wellness," "simplicity," or "femininity" on the surface often carries deeper messaging about who women should be….and how they should behave. We also dive into the return of skinny culture and the eerie parallels between today and the early 2000s—from heroine chic to the resurgence of hyper-thin ideals dominating social media and fashion. Why are these trends coming back now? And what do they reveal about the political and economic climate we're in? 00:00 Navigating Change and Technology Challenges 04:42 The Impact of Beauty Standards and Trends 09:56 Cultural Trends and the Fight for Female Empowerment 15:28 Embracing the Wild Woman Within 20:33 The Journey of Self-Acceptance and Value 25:03 The Impact of Social Media on Self-Perception 33:39 The Cycle of Control and Agency in Women's Lives 45:48 The Resurgence of Early 2000s Beauty Norms 51:00 Political Sedation and Beauty Standards 58:15 Authenticity and the Pressure of Appearance 01:03:54 Trad Wife Culture and Its Implications 01:09:56 The Value of Women's Labor

Episode 15: The Healing Power of Gathering (Plus Ringworm and Swords)

In this episode of Down the Rabbit Hole, Sam and Bri spiral (naturally) from creative retreats to Parisian art history to jujitsu mats and, somehow, swords. At the heart of the conversation is their shared belief that creative retreats are not indulgent escapes — they're a return. A way to refill the creative well. A way to remember who you are outside of productivity, partnership, motherhood, performance. They reflect on the power of gathering women in wild landscapes — the wildlife encounters, the preparedness, the reverence for nature — and how being outside strips away hierarchy. They talk about what actually happens when women gather intentionally and the collective healing that occurs when roles are set down and masks come off. Eventually they can't help themselves and widen the lens to talk about male-on-male validation — how many men are conditioned to perform strength for one another rather than offer emotional safety. They unpack how patriarchy harms men too, boxing them into rigid expressions of masculinity where validation comes from dominance, status, or suppression of feeling. This is where the conversation takes a delightfully unexpected turn into stories about swords and jujitsu. Bri recounts her infamous "ringworm modeling gig" (yes, really), you need to hear it. 00:00 Welcome to the Retreat Planning Adventure 01:33 Exploring the Magic of the Tetons 03:55 The Power of Community and Connection 09:21 Wildlife Encounters and Nature's Beauty 13:55 Preparing for Outdoor Adventures 18:17 The Importance of Collective Healing 23:12 Breaking Down Barriers Among Women 26:29 The Power of Communal Care 28:25 Transformative Moments in Retreats 31:54 Recalibrating Relationships After Retreats 34:48 The Importance of Women-Only Spaces 37:53 Men's Need for Introspective Spaces 41:10 Exploring Intimacy and Vulnerability in Men 43:02 Finding Safety in Community 46:23 The Contrast of Experiences 50:07 The Journey of Self-Discovery Through New Activities