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Precious L. Williams: The Killer Pitch Was Born From Survival

30 min · Gestern
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Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2070905/fan_mail/new] Business Community https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Newsletter https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/steveramona   📝Description:  What happens when the child everyone underestimated grows up to command rooms, win national pitch competitions, and teach the world how to speak with power? Precious L. Williams did not come from ease. She grew up in the inner city of St. Louis surrounded by poverty, addiction, pain, and survival. But inside that hard beginning was a grandmother who spoke life over her every morning, teachers who placed a microphone in her hands, and a purpose that refused to stay buried. At 16 years old, Precious stood before powerful leaders and discovered something unforgettable. Her voice could move people. In this episode, Steve Ramona sits down with Precious, founder and CEO of The Perfect Pitch Group, for a conversation about confidence, resilience, servant-hearted success, and the kind of pitching that does more than sell. Precious shares how homelessness, heartbreak, Shark Tank, rejection, and being told she was “too much” became the fuel behind her calling as the Killer Pitch Master. 🎯 What You’ll Learn: ✅ Your Circle Determines Your Ceiling ✅ Turn Perceived Flaws Into Your Secret Weapon ✅ Own Your Story Before Others Define It ⏱️Timestamps: [0:00] | Intro & Welcome [2:17] | Growing Up in St. Louis [5:49] | Inner City Advice [8:47] | First Speaking at 16 [13:55] | Shark Tank & Curvy Girls [16:08] | Elevator Pitch Masterclass 🤝Connect with Precious L. Williams: 💥Web:  https://www.savvyladies.org/podcast-power-of-the-ask/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.savvyladies.org/podcast-power-of-the-ask/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw3TPHilAT21H_SMmACLSY-e] 💥YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/PreciousLWilliams [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/c/PreciousLWilliams&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw3exEki9RAAOFwUhIExzSyU] 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/precious-l-williams/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.linkedin.com/in/precious-l-williams/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw00HycgEmfBKRxb2YstNjxB] 💥IG:  https://www.instagram.com/perfectpitchgroup/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/perfectpitchgroup/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw0CweNCxVCqcjLWQGakTh0a] 💥FB: https://www.facebook.com/PerfectPitchP [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/PerfectPitchP&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw3R8PqtYkA1w5QE8y3Hmnfg] 💥TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@preciouslwilliams [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tiktok.com/@preciouslwilliams&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw1EqRuFqbyxyga9mOSkco9V]   🤝Connect with Steve Ramona: 💥Web: https://steveramona.com/ 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveramona/ 💥IG: https://www.instagram.com/bizopportunitynow/ 💥Podcast: https://www.servinginbusinesspodcast.com/ 💥YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@doingbusinesswithaservantheart?sub_confirmation=1 🔖Tags: #InnerCitySuccess #Entrepreneurship #Inspiration Free Business Community: https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Subscribe to our Podcast Newsletter  https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/628f9d5962 Join Me on Substack: https://podcasthost.substack.com/ Doing Business with a Servant's Heart Named Top 20 Small Business Marketing Podcast https://podcast.feedspot.com/small_business_marketing_podcasts/ [https://www.feedspot.com/fs/tk/GEbRwGEi6%2BxG5uVG3M0byhEVyrNnIRjnGujpGQX7GProGsyxZCHo6hbk5hkHyh76EA7A9Y9S8PYa5uEe3ccaxdtQ%2BfiiJvMeWSUhWN7EFQkeRvfhoV3hHEoWFVgUBFrHElEBr6FWFCJREBNaF%2F5U%2FiJV8%2B2PWx4bWRofTAMFVf0SQwf0oRjyHEoWFU4I0hvQ3xXMs18PEilXFO5L1fRM%2FhBWCfKTTRIbUhIaUdDBWhIfR9HAlFgfIlQoJlU%3D]

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Episode Precious L. Williams: The Killer Pitch Was Born From Survival Cover

Precious L. Williams: The Killer Pitch Was Born From Survival

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2070905/fan_mail/new] Business Community https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Newsletter https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/steveramona   📝Description:  What happens when the child everyone underestimated grows up to command rooms, win national pitch competitions, and teach the world how to speak with power? Precious L. Williams did not come from ease. She grew up in the inner city of St. Louis surrounded by poverty, addiction, pain, and survival. But inside that hard beginning was a grandmother who spoke life over her every morning, teachers who placed a microphone in her hands, and a purpose that refused to stay buried. At 16 years old, Precious stood before powerful leaders and discovered something unforgettable. Her voice could move people. In this episode, Steve Ramona sits down with Precious, founder and CEO of The Perfect Pitch Group, for a conversation about confidence, resilience, servant-hearted success, and the kind of pitching that does more than sell. Precious shares how homelessness, heartbreak, Shark Tank, rejection, and being told she was “too much” became the fuel behind her calling as the Killer Pitch Master. 🎯 What You’ll Learn: ✅ Your Circle Determines Your Ceiling ✅ Turn Perceived Flaws Into Your Secret Weapon ✅ Own Your Story Before Others Define It ⏱️Timestamps: [0:00] | Intro & Welcome [2:17] | Growing Up in St. Louis [5:49] | Inner City Advice [8:47] | First Speaking at 16 [13:55] | Shark Tank & Curvy Girls [16:08] | Elevator Pitch Masterclass 🤝Connect with Precious L. Williams: 💥Web:  https://www.savvyladies.org/podcast-power-of-the-ask/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.savvyladies.org/podcast-power-of-the-ask/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw3TPHilAT21H_SMmACLSY-e] 💥YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/PreciousLWilliams [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/c/PreciousLWilliams&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw3exEki9RAAOFwUhIExzSyU] 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/precious-l-williams/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.linkedin.com/in/precious-l-williams/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw00HycgEmfBKRxb2YstNjxB] 💥IG:  https://www.instagram.com/perfectpitchgroup/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/perfectpitchgroup/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw0CweNCxVCqcjLWQGakTh0a] 💥FB: https://www.facebook.com/PerfectPitchP [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/PerfectPitchP&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw3R8PqtYkA1w5QE8y3Hmnfg] 💥TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@preciouslwilliams [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tiktok.com/@preciouslwilliams&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw1EqRuFqbyxyga9mOSkco9V]   🤝Connect with Steve Ramona: 💥Web: https://steveramona.com/ 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveramona/ 💥IG: https://www.instagram.com/bizopportunitynow/ 💥Podcast: https://www.servinginbusinesspodcast.com/ 💥YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@doingbusinesswithaservantheart?sub_confirmation=1 🔖Tags: #InnerCitySuccess #Entrepreneurship #Inspiration Free Business Community: https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Subscribe to our Podcast Newsletter  https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/628f9d5962 Join Me on Substack: https://podcasthost.substack.com/ Doing Business with a Servant's Heart Named Top 20 Small Business Marketing Podcast https://podcast.feedspot.com/small_business_marketing_podcasts/ [https://www.feedspot.com/fs/tk/GEbRwGEi6%2BxG5uVG3M0byhEVyrNnIRjnGujpGQX7GProGsyxZCHo6hbk5hkHyh76EA7A9Y9S8PYa5uEe3ccaxdtQ%2BfiiJvMeWSUhWN7EFQkeRvfhoV3hHEoWFVgUBFrHElEBr6FWFCJREBNaF%2F5U%2FiJV8%2B2PWx4bWRofTAMFVf0SQwf0oRjyHEoWFU4I0hvQ3xXMs18PEilXFO5L1fRM%2FhBWCfKTTRIbUhIaUdDBWhIfR9HAlFgfIlQoJlU%3D]

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Episode Frank Scarpelli: Your Network Is Built Before You Need It Cover

Frank Scarpelli: Your Network Is Built Before You Need It

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2070905/fan_mail/new] Business Community https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Newsletter https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/steveramona   📝Description:  What if the job, client, or opportunity you are praying for is not waiting inside a job board, but inside a relationship you have not nurtured yet? In this conversation, Steve Ramona sits down with Frank Scarpelli, a servant-hearted talent solutions leader who understands the human side of hiring, career transitions, and executive search. Frank brings listeners into a world many professionals only think about when they are suddenly forced into change, the world of personal branding, LinkedIn visibility, warm introductions, one-page bios, referrals, retained search, and the quiet power of showing up before you need something. There is a moment in this episode where the message becomes beautifully simple. Networking cannot be a one-way street. It has to be built on generosity, curiosity, and service. Frank reminds us that people are busy, recruiters are busy, decision-makers are busy, but people still want to help when the ask is thoughtful and the relationship is real. He shares how a strong LinkedIn presence, a clear personal brand, and a ready-to-share one-page bio can make it easier for others to understand who you are and refer you with confidence. 🎯 What You’ll Learn: ✅ Network Before You Need To ✅Give Before You Get ✅ Know the Hiring Landscape   ⏱️Timestamps: [0:00] Welcome & Intro [2:12] LinkedIn Branding [4:26] Resume Tips [8:12] Recruiter Strategy [17:13] Contingency vs Retained [24:22] Top Hiring Mistakes 🤝Connect with  Frank Scarpelli : 💥Web: https://privatecapitalglobal.com/ 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankscarpelli/ 🤝Connect with Steve Ramona: 💥Web: https://steveramona.com/ 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveramona/ 💥IG: https://www.instagram.com/bizopportunitynow/ 💥Podcast: https://www.servinginbusinesspodcast.com/ 💥YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@doingbusinesswithaservantheart?sub_confirmation=1 🔖Tags: #podcast Free Business Community: https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Subscribe to our Podcast Newsletter  https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/628f9d5962 Join Me on Substack: https://podcasthost.substack.com/ Doing Business with a Servant's Heart Named Top 20 Small Business Marketing Podcast https://podcast.feedspot.com/small_business_marketing_podcasts/ [https://www.feedspot.com/fs/tk/GEbRwGEi6%2BxG5uVG3M0byhEVyrNnIRjnGujpGQX7GProGsyxZCHo6hbk5hkHyh76EA7A9Y9S8PYa5uEe3ccaxdtQ%2BfiiJvMeWSUhWN7EFQkeRvfhoV3hHEoWFVgUBFrHElEBr6FWFCJREBNaF%2F5U%2FiJV8%2B2PWx4bWRofTAMFVf0SQwf0oRjyHEoWFU4I0hvQ3xXMs18PEilXFO5L1fRM%2FhBWCfKTTRIbUhIaUdDBWhIfR9HAlFgfIlQoJlU%3D]

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Episode Jennifer Urezzio: When Your Soul Says Yes Cover

Jennifer Urezzio: When Your Soul Says Yes

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2070905/fan_mail/new] Business Community https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Newsletter https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/steveramona   📝Description:  What if the clarity you keep chasing has been waiting inside you all along? In this heartfelt conversation, Steve Ramona sits down with Jennifer Urezzio, founder of Soul Language and host of Ask and Answered by Soul, for a powerful exploration of balance, service, trust, and the quiet wisdom of the soul. Jennifer brings a grounded, deeply human perspective to spiritual entrepreneurship, reminding us that true impact does not begin with saving the whole world. It begins with listening to the truth inside our own. There is a moment in this episode where Jennifer gently guides Steve into his body and asks him to notice where he feels “not enough.” In that simple pause, the conversation shifts from business strategy into something more honest. The breath slows. The heart opens. The lesson becomes clear, when we serve from peace, joy, and enoughness, our impact becomes cleaner, stronger, and more aligned. 🎯 What You’ll Learn: ✅ Give Freely, Receive Fully ✅ Trust Your Soul Over Outside Opinions ✅ Protect Your Energy to Serve Better   ⏱️Timestamps: 0:00 | Podcast Intro 2:17 | Balance & Flow 6:21 | Listening to Your Soul 16:38 | Serving vs. Receiving 19:22 | Firing Toxic Clients 26:33 | Guest's Podcast & Wrap-Up   🤝Connect with Jennifer Urezzio: 💥Web: 💥YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/c/JenniferUrezzio [https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/c/JenniferUrezzio&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw2PtJUalPHym3515H7krcOA] 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferurezzio/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferurezzio/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw1-puVQ8GtALbxZy9XGFj5H] 💥IG: https://www.instagram.com/soullanguagefounder/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/soullanguagefounder/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw0MYg-Rh3Ld0SMb3MdW2In7] 💥FB: https://www.facebook.com/jenniferurezzio [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/jenniferurezzio&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw3sZp1Dqfv6ZWGA1v_w9zos] 💥X: https://twitter.com/SoulLanguage [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/SoulLanguage&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw1P3iBeZUHDp_853npwns8o]   🤝Connect with Steve Ramona: 💥Web: https://steveramona.com/ 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveramona/ 💥IG: https://www.instagram.com/bizopportunitynow/ 💥Podcast: https://www.servinginbusinesspodcast.com/ 💥YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@doingbusinesswithaservantheart?sub_confirmation=1 🔖Tags: #[tag] Free Business Community: https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Subscribe to our Podcast Newsletter  https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/628f9d5962 Join Me on Substack: https://podcasthost.substack.com/ Doing Business with a Servant's Heart Named Top 20 Small Business Marketing Podcast https://podcast.feedspot.com/small_business_marketing_podcasts/ [https://www.feedspot.com/fs/tk/GEbRwGEi6%2BxG5uVG3M0byhEVyrNnIRjnGujpGQX7GProGsyxZCHo6hbk5hkHyh76EA7A9Y9S8PYa5uEe3ccaxdtQ%2BfiiJvMeWSUhWN7EFQkeRvfhoV3hHEoWFVgUBFrHElEBr6FWFCJREBNaF%2F5U%2FiJV8%2B2PWx4bWRofTAMFVf0SQwf0oRjyHEoWFU4I0hvQ3xXMs18PEilXFO5L1fRM%2FhBWCfKTTRIbUhIaUdDBWhIfR9HAlFgfIlQoJlU%3D]

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Episode Richard Bischoff: The Discipline That Rebuilds a Man From the Inside Out Cover

Richard Bischoff: The Discipline That Rebuilds a Man From the Inside Out

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2070905/fan_mail/new] Business Community: https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Newsletter: https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/steveramona   📝Description:  What happens when a man loses the life he thought defined him, then has to decide who he really is without the income, the marriage, the house, or the certainty? In this powerful conversation, Steve Ramona sits down with Richard Bischoff, author of The Self Disciplined Man, for an honest look at identity, responsibility, fatherhood, fitness, finances, and the quiet pain many men carry when they do not feel respected, needed, or proud of themselves. Richard opens up about reaching a breaking point in his early thirties, losing a six-figure income, going through divorce, facing bankruptcy, fighting for custody of his children, and moving back in with his parents. But this episode is not about staying stuck in the setback. It is about ownership. Richard shares how discipline became the bridge between who he was and who he knew he was called to become. Through sports, coaching, reflection, faith, and hard choices, he rebuilt his life one decision at a time. He reminds listeners that discipline is not punishment. It is a skill, a muscle, and a pathway back to confidence, peace, and purpose 🎯 What You’ll Learn: ✅ Discipline Is the Hack ✅ Know Your Starting Point ✅ A Setback Is a Setup   ⏱️Timestamps: (01:02 - 02:07) Men in Modern Society (04:53 - 06:04) Reflecting on Success and Discipline (12:13 - 12:42) No Shortcuts (16:14 - 16:39) Choosing the Right Coach for Success (18:52 - 19:55) Winners and Losers (21:22 - 22:46) Ideal Life and Financial Success   🤝Connect with Richard Bischoff: 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-bischoff-810699264/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-bischoff-810699264/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw3TbGdJFCdvxBAs5CjBkM9f] 💥IG: https://www.instagram.com/richardbischoff/ [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/richardbischoff/&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw0j1mu5LncfuuSuRNugyVfq] 💥FB: https://www.facebook.com/RichardBischoffjr [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/RichardBischoffjr&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw11n549zwXWr0qGloqiS1qU]    🤝Connect with Steve Ramona: 💥Web: https://steveramona.com/ 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveramona/ 💥IG: https://www.instagram.com/bizopportunitynow/ 💥Podcast: https://www.servinginbusinesspodcast.com/ 💥YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@doingbusinesswithaservantheart?sub_confirmation=1 🔖Tags: #RedefiningMasculinity #PersonalGrowth #SelfDiscipline Free Business Community: https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Subscribe to our Podcast Newsletter  https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/628f9d5962 Join Me on Substack: https://podcasthost.substack.com/ Doing Business with a Servant's Heart Named Top 20 Small Business Marketing Podcast https://podcast.feedspot.com/small_business_marketing_podcasts/ [https://www.feedspot.com/fs/tk/GEbRwGEi6%2BxG5uVG3M0byhEVyrNnIRjnGujpGQX7GProGsyxZCHo6hbk5hkHyh76EA7A9Y9S8PYa5uEe3ccaxdtQ%2BfiiJvMeWSUhWN7EFQkeRvfhoV3hHEoWFVgUBFrHElEBr6FWFCJREBNaF%2F5U%2FiJV8%2B2PWx4bWRofTAMFVf0SQwf0oRjyHEoWFU4I0hvQ3xXMs18PEilXFO5L1fRM%2FhBWCfKTTRIbUhIaUdDBWhIfR9HAlFgfIlQoJlU%3D]

17. Juni 202631 min
Episode Susie Carder: When Profit Meets Purpose, Everything Changes Cover

Susie Carder: When Profit Meets Purpose, Everything Changes

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2070905/fan_mail/new] https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/steveramona   📝Description:  What if the business you built looked successful from the outside, but was quietly breaking you on the inside? In this powerful conversation, Steve Ramona sits down with Dr. Susie Carder, a self-made millionaire, profit coach, fractional COO, best-selling author, and international speaker whose story is rooted in resilience, service, and hard-earned wisdom. Dr. Susie does not speak about business from a theoretical perspective. She speaks from the lived experience of building companies, facing financial fear, selling a business for millions, navigating an identity crisis, and learning that profit without purpose can leave even the most driven entrepreneur feeling empty. There is a moment in her journey when the numbers tell a painful truth. A million-dollar business was barely breaking even. The room may have looked successful, the brand may have looked polished, and the outside world may have seen momentum, but behind the scenes, Dr. Susie had to confront what so many entrepreneurs avoid: you cannot scale what you do not understand. That realization changed everything. Financial literacy became more than a business tool; it became a lifeline. Strategic planning, sales, marketing, operations, and finance were no longer separate pieces. They became the heartbeat of sustainable growth. 🎯 What You’ll Learn: ✅  Have a Plan and Strategy  ✅  Build Relationships and Your Network ✅  Master Financial Planning and Play the Long Game   ⏱️Timestamps: [0:00] | Intro & Welcome [2:36] | Lesson 1: Have a Plan [3:46] | Lesson 2: Build Relationships [4:29] | Lesson 3: Financial Planning [15:34] | Hair Technician Days [27:13] | Closing & Resources   🤝Connect with Susie Carder: 💥Web:  https://www.susiecarder.com  💥YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/user/bootstrappassion8 💥LinkedIn:  💥IG: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SusieCarder/ 💥Podcast: https://susiecarder.com/podcast/   🤝Connect with Steve Ramona: 💥Web: https://steveramona.com/ 💥LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveramona/ 💥IG: https://www.instagram.com/bizopportunitynow/ 💥Podcast: https://www.servinginbusinesspodcast.com/ 💥YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@doingbusinesswithaservantheart?sub_confirmation=1 🔖Tags: #BusinessGrowth #EntrepreneurTips #DrSusieCarder Free Business Community: https://www.skool.com/thebusinessnetwork Subscribe to our Podcast Newsletter  https://doing-business-with-a-servants-heart.kit.com/628f9d5962 Join Me on Substack: https://podcasthost.substack.com/ Doing Business with a Servant's Heart Named Top 20 Small Business Marketing Podcast https://podcast.feedspot.com/small_business_marketing_podcasts/ [https://www.feedspot.com/fs/tk/GEbRwGEi6%2BxG5uVG3M0byhEVyrNnIRjnGujpGQX7GProGsyxZCHo6hbk5hkHyh76EA7A9Y9S8PYa5uEe3ccaxdtQ%2BfiiJvMeWSUhWN7EFQkeRvfhoV3hHEoWFVgUBFrHElEBr6FWFCJREBNaF%2F5U%2FiJV8%2B2PWx4bWRofTAMFVf0SQwf0oRjyHEoWFU4I0hvQ3xXMs18PEilXFO5L1fRM%2FhBWCfKTTRIbUhIaUdDBWhIfR9HAlFgfIlQoJlU%3D]

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