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Dr. Oz has made up a new description of American women: under-babied [https://people.com/dr-oz-says-americans-under-babied-11972922]. So it was a good time to return to this conversation with Dr. Eoin Flaherty. The Trump administration has talked about using awards [https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/04/trump-motherhood-medal-pronatalist-nazi/], scholarships [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/21/us/politics/trump-birthrate-proposals.html] and cash [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-5000-baby-bonus-incentivize-public-children/story?id=121094707] as incentives to have more children. People see Elon [https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/10/us/pronatalism-elon-musk-birth-rates-cec] as a leader in pronatalism conversations. Dr. Eoin Flaherty [https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/people/eoin-flaherty] is back on the show to connect the dots between population control, pronatalism, and the environment. Eoin talks with Jessica [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/] about the Better Baby fairs [https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/better-babies-contests-united-states-1908-1916] of the 1900s and the two talk about how race is the underpinning of pronatalism even if no one speaks about it directly. The two talk about fertility hysteria, and the difference between fertility rates and birth rates. Eoin shares what research is next for him, and Jessica thinks that he might get the attention of Make America Healthy Again evangelists. Eoin on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@eoinflaherty] Some mentions from the episode: Alison Pill's episode [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-it-awkward/id1698799122?i=1000677774049] Dr Paul Saladino AKA Captain Cotton Underpants [https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJre-9zupf2/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ%3D%3D] Adriana Smith [https://www.npr.org/2025/05/21/nx-s1-5405542/a-brain-dead-womans-pregnancy-raises-questions-about-georgias-abortion-law] Timeline of Ireland abortion laws [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43962738] Maternal death rates in the US [https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/racial-disparities-in-maternal-and-infant-health-current-status-and-efforts-to-address-them/#:~:text=Key%20takeaways%20include%3A,18.1%20per%20100%2C000).] Dr. Harvey Kellogg RELATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH TO RACE DEGENERACY [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1286411/] Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com [makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com] You can buy awkward merch [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/merch]! You can become a Patreon [https://www.patreon.com/c/MakingItAwkward] member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod [https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod] Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd [https://www.instagram.com/jessicawilson.msrd/] and TikTok @byjessicawilson
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