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Zack Shapiro joins MTS to discuss how AI is disrupting Big Law's traditional business models. He explains why building internal software beats renting generic tools and details the regulatory barriers stopping tech labs from buying law firms outright. Finally, he shares his exact framework for training attorneys to convert manual cognitive work into custom, automated AI workflows. -- https://x.com/zackbshapiro [https://x.com/zackbshapiro] -- MTS is a live news and interview show covering technology, business, politics, and culture as it happens. Follow MTS:Â X | â [https://twitter.com/MTSlive]https://twitter.com/MTSliveâ [https://twitter.com/MTSlive%E2%81%A0] YouTube | â [https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation]https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituationâ [https://www.youtube.com/@mtsituation%E2%81%A0] Spotify | â https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rMâ [https://open.spotify.com/show/4HUNNmV1pjV7CW6Lphm1rM]Â Apple | â https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763â [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mts/id1891088763]Â Substack | â [https://mtslive.substack.com/]https://mtslive.substack.com/â [https://mtslive.substack.com/%E2%81%A0] Interested in sponsoring the show? â â â â â â sponsors@mts.nowâ â [sponsors@mts.now] -- Brought to you by: Neon (by Databricks) - Get up to $100K in credits for your startup at â https://neon.com/mtsâ [https://neon.com/mts%E2%81%A0] ElevenLabs -Â AI that communicates at human level across every channel and modality. http://elevenlabs.io/mts [http://elevenlabs.io/mts] Granola - The AI notepad. Try it once and never go back. https://granola.ai/mts [https://granola.ai/mts] Kong - The AI connectivity platform. Connect APIs, LLMs, agents, and systems with serious security and governance. https://konghq.com [https://konghq.com] Blitzy - Autonomous software development for enterprise codebases. Ship 5x faster. https://blitzy.com [https://blitzy.com] Merge - OpenAI, Dropbox, and Ramp use Merge to get AI to production faster. https://merge.dev/mts [https://merge.dev/mts] AdQuick - Make your brand a billboard. Out-of-home advertising as easy to scale as digital. https://adquick.com [https://adquick.com] Macroscope - AI codebase understanding for engineering leaders. https://macroscope.com/mts [https://macroscope.com/mts] -- Timestamps: (00:35) Introduction (01:14) The Kirkland & Ellis AI Initiative (02:14) Billable Hours and The Innovator's Dilemma (06:44) Shifting to Value-Based Models (07:42) The Enterprise Diffusion Gap (09:08) Why Tech Labs Don't Buy Law Firms (11:53) Practicing as a Claude Native Law Firm (13:34) Redefining Prompting Strategy -- Note: This podcast is not investment, legal, or tax advice, and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies and securities discussed; do your own research before acting on anything you hear.
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