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The Evolution of "Safety First" with Peter Norton (S1 ep02)

49 min · 25. Apr. 2026
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Mr. Otto Nobetter, meet Mr. Jay Walker Historian Peter Norton joins Phil & Junko in a discussion of the surprisingly rich history of the slogan "Safety First." We discuss the history of multiple cycles of adoption and repudiation of the concept of Safety First in industrial and automotive safety. We also cover cautionary tales from the history of safety regulations in other industries. Perhaps it is time for the autonomous vehicle industry to re-think its Safety First messaging. Substack episode info: https://open.substack.com/pub/avsafety/p/podcast-the-evolution-of-safety-first

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Defining Safe Enough for AVs

This week Phil & Junko talk about what it means for Autonomous Vehicle to be safe enough. At a high level, in addition to net statistical safety, acceptable safety also requires an absence of risk hot spots. It’s not about perfection; it’s about acceptably safe: * As safe as a human driver on a net statistical basis (accounting for which car, which driver, which road, etc.) * Avoiding reckless driving * Avoiding shifting risk onto vulnerable populations * Absence of unreasonable risk (AUR) * Standards conformance * Avoiding negative externalities (e.g., not blocking fire trucks) * Accountability for breaking road rules * Meeting all stakeholder safety requirements A single-metric approach does not work due to multiple stakeholder concerns. A multi-constraint satisfaction approach is the way to go. The bottom line: acceptable safety is meeting the threshold requirements of all your stakeholders. This episode is a follow-on to Phil’s written piece on How Safe Is Really “Safe Enough” for Autonomous Vehicles? [https://avsafety.substack.com/p/how-safe-is-really-safe-enough-for]

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