Season 1 Recap: What We Learned by Talking Out Loud

Building Something That Lasts in Work and Marriage

In this thoughtful and deeply honest conversation, Justin and Sarah sit down with Armin Vit [https://www.linkedin.com/in/arminvit/] and Bryony Gomez-Palacio [https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryonygomezpalacio/?skipRedirect=true], the husband-and-wife team behind UnderConsideration [https://underconsideration.com/] and one of the most influential voices in the design world. Originally from Mexico, Armin and Bryony share the story of building a life together while navigating immigration, entrepreneurship, creativity, marriage, and parenting. What started as two designers trying to make meaningful work slowly evolved into a globally respected platform that helped shape conversations around branding, identity design, and the creative industry itself. They talk about leaving behind traditional career paths, taking risks before they felt fully ready, and what it was like building a business together in the early internet days while raising a family at the same time. They also reflect on the pressure that comes with running a visible creative platform, staying relevant through decades of industry change, and learning how to evolve without losing themselves in the process. Armin and Bryony open up about balancing partnership and individuality, the tension between creative ambition and family life, and why consistency mattered more than chasing trends. There are stories about moving countries, figuring things out financially, working side-by-side for years, and the reality that even successful creative careers are often built slowly, quietly, and with a lot more uncertainty than people realize. Together, they reflect on what they have learned about taste, criticism, resilience, and staying connected through decades of work and life together. This episode is about creativity, reinvention, partnership, and the long road of building something meaningful one decision at a time. Takeaways & Talking Points: • Moving from Mexico to build a creative life in the U.S. • Starting UnderConsideration before the design world was fully online • Building a business as a married couple • Raising a family while growing a creative platform • The pressure and responsibility of public criticism in design • Why consistency matters more than hype • How branding and design culture have changed over time • Staying creatively relevant through decades of change • The difference between taste and trends • Learning how to evolve without losing your values Things We’re Learning (and Unlearning): • Creative careers are usually built slower than people expect • Reinvention often starts before you feel ready • Long-term success requires adaptability • Marriage and business both need space for individuality • Taste is developed through curiosity and repetition • Criticism is easier to give than receive • Creative work becomes healthier when identity is not tied to performance • You do not need to chase every trend to stay relevant • Stability is often built quietly over time • Meaningful work usually grows from consistency, not overnight success Stats Worth Knowing: • Nearly 70% of people say they struggle to balance work, relationships, and personal life in a way that feels healthy • Couples who regularly have meaningful conversations, not just logistical ones, report significantly stronger and longer-lasting relationships • Burnout is now one of the leading reasons people feel disconnected from their work, families, and even themselves • Research shows that shared experiences and emotional connection create longer-lasting happiness than money, status, or achievement alone • Most people will reinvent themselves multiple times throughout adulthood, whether through career changes, parenting, marriage, loss, or personal growth This episode is for anyone who has ever tried to build something meaningful while still trying to stay connected to the people they love. Whether you’re running a business, chasing a creative dream, raising kids, navigating marriage, starting over, or simply figuring out who you are becoming, this conversation is a reminder that most good things are built slowly, imperfectly, and together. It’s about ambition and partnership. Creativity and sacrifice. Reinvention and staying grounded while life keeps changing around you. Thanks for listening, Justin and Sarah   Photo credit: Anna Powell Denton https://annapowelldenton.com/ [https://annapowelldenton.com/] #RunningAhrens #UnderConsideration #BrandNew #DesignLeadership #CreativeEntrepreneurship #MarriageAndBusiness #DesignCommunity #CreativeLife #EntrepreneurStory #Branding #GraphicDesign #RunningAhrensPodcast #BeingHumanKind

Season 2: Still Figuring It Out (Together)

So… We’re Back We didn’t plan a big dramatic return. Life just kept moving… and gave us a lot more to talk about. Since season one, our kids got older (how does that keep happening?), one got engaged, a few are stepping into careers, and somehow we now live in a house that rotates between full chaos and “wait… where did everyone go?” We’re not parenting little kids anymore. We’re not fully empty nesters either. We’re somewhere in the middle… and honestly, it’s kind of great. And a little confusing. And sometimes loud again. The Shift (That No One Really Warns You About) This season is about what happens next. The move from managing to mentoring. From solving everything… to realizing maybe we shouldn’t. From control to trust. Or at least trying to. We’re talking about parenting adult kids who still need you… just not for the same things. About learning to listen more and fix less (still working on that one). And about what it means to stay connected without holding on too tight. Also, yes… adult kids coming back home is a thing. It’s like roommates you love… who don’t always do the dishes. What This Season Will Look Like We’re slowing it down a bit this season. One to two episodes a month. One to two blogs alongside them. More time to think. More time to write. More space to actually say something that matters. We’ve already recorded some episodes we’re really excited about. Some just the two of us. Some with our kids. Some with people who make us think, laugh, and occasionally call us out in the best way. Why We’re Doing This Season one was us talking things out loud. Season two feels more like paying attention. To what’s changing. To what we’re learning. To what we’re still getting wrong… and laughing about later. We’ve hit over 2,500 downloads, which for a podcast like this feels pretty amazing. Not because it’s huge, but because it’s real. Real people listening. Real conversations connecting. We don’t take that lightly. Want to Go a Little Deeper? A lot of what we’re talking about this season ties into Justin’s new book, Being HumanKind. It’s about showing up better. Not perfectly. Just better. At work, at home, and in the everyday moments that matter more than we think. You can check it out here: https://behumankind.today/ [https://behumankind.today/] And if you’ve heard us joke about wearing our own merch on our own show… yes, that’s still happening. Probably more than it should. You can grab some gear (and join the inside joke) here: https://www.runningahrens.today/store [https://www.runningahrens.today/store] Really… Thanks for Being Here We’re still figuring this out. Still learning how to be better parents, better partners, better people. Still laughing at ourselves along the way. And we’re really glad you’re here with us. Season two goes deeper… and gets a little more fun. Let’s keep running, Sarah and Justin #RunningAhrens #MarriageAndParenting #ParentingAdultChildren #FamilyPodcast #RealLifeConversations #EntrepreneurLife #MarriageRealTalk #ParentingJourney #LifeInTransition #PersonalGrowth #IntentionalLiving #WorkAndFamily #PodcastLife #HonestConversations #BeingHumanKind

Season 1 Recap: What We Learned by Talking Out Loud

Season one started as an experiment. Justin and Sarah wanted a place to talk about marriage, parenting, and running a business together. Business shows up. But it didn’t take long to realize this show isn’t really about business. It’s about the human stuff underneath. Adult kids. Identity. Change. Belonging. Staying connected when life shifts. The chaos in the house. The hard parts. The funny parts. And the friends who have shown us how wide life can be. And somehow, nobody pulled the plug. Still feels like a win. What Shaped the Season We were intentional about reflecting the real spectrum of our lives and friendships. Not as a checkbox. Just honestly. Different races and backgrounds. Different beliefs and non-beliefs. Different orientations. Different stories. Married, divorced, rebuilding, starting over. What mattered most was this: we stayed friends. We stayed human. We loved each other. Our kids grew up watching that. And now their friendships reflect it too. Also, a few running jokes became permanent: * Wearing our own show merch on our own show * The “no going to bed mad” rule (Sarah follows it, Justin forgets it exists) * “Not raising asshole kids” as a loose family goal * The drinking game made from our verbal tics (rude, accurate, funny) Top Episodes (Most Listened) * Crazy Sports Parents * Parenting in the Launch Years * Intro: Meet the Ahrens * Family Boss of the Moment (Ava) * The first Enneagram episode Top Blogs * Season 1 reflections and recap * The Mackenzie episode reflection * Mid-season: what we’ve learned so far * Both sides of the family, how friendship becomes more * Gratitude for the Rowans sharing their story Takeaways * This is a business-owner podcast only on paper * The launch years of parenting are tender and blurry * Adult kids still want support, not management * Friendships shape your kids more than you realize * The most human episodes connect the most * Marriage rules sound great until 10:30 PM * Presence matters more than perfection * We want new tech and more analog life at the same time What We’re Learning (and Unlearning) * Business is part of your story, not the center * Kids are resilient, parents carry the weight * Parenting adults is about trust, not control * Fixing is not the same as helping * Bravery is something you grow into * A full house can still feel untethered * You can raise open, honest kids without making it performative Season one became something better than we planned. Season two goes deeper.

When Your Story Changes: How JJ and Jamey Rebuilt Life, Love, and Home

In this honest and very human conversation, Justin and Sarah sit down with their friends JJ and Jamey to talk about what it costs to tell the truth about who you are, and what it looks like to build a family afterward. JJ grew up in a pastor’s home, became a missionary and theology professor, and spent years trying to pray his sexuality away. He shares the panic attack that sent him to the hospital, the reality show deal that surfaced everything he’d been avoiding, and the 40 day stretch of monasteries and wine country that finally pushed him toward honesty. He also talks about coming out slowly, one conversation at a time, before sharing his story publicly. Jamey grew up in small town Tennessee, married young, and spent 16 years raising four kids. He remembers the moment his teenage daughter bravely shared she was attracted to another girl, how that opened something in him, and the long, painful process of ending his marriage and finally naming his own truth. Together, they share how they met online, fell in love, and built a queer family in Nashville with four kids, two in college and two at home. They talk about “instant parenthood” for JJ, navigating school changes and safety issues, holding grief and joy at the same time, and the weekend JJ became a dad and lost his own father. School forms, therapy, Cub Scouts, prom committees, and drag queens all show up in this story. They reflect on what they wish they could tell their 35 year old selves, why hard does not mean wrong, how to support someone who is coming out, and what it takes to choose audacity when your whole life shifts. This episode is about leaving old scripts, starting over in the middle, and choosing family, truth, and joy in a place that does not always make that simple. Takeaways & Talking Points: • Growing up gay in conservative Christian spaces • How a TV deal and a panic attack changed JJ’s life • Jamie’s move from long marriage to finally speaking the truth • What midlife coming out actually feels like • Instant parenting and rebuilding family under pressure • School transfers, safety, and helping kids find stability • Grieving a parent while becoming one • Dating long distance in a pandemic • What supportive friends do well • How to respond when someone comes out Things We’re Learning (and Unlearning): • Coming out is a long process, not a moment • Faith and sexuality often need to be rethought with honesty • The “right” choice can still feel painful early on • Later-in-life coming out brings your whole story with you • Kids can handle change when at least one home is steady • You cannot rush someone’s timeline for truth • “I love you” should be the first sentence • It is not the job of the person coming out to hold your emotions • Healing is slow, ordinary work • Audacity means taking one brave step at a time Stats Worth Knowing: • Many LGBTQ+ adults say they sensed “difference” in childhood • Family acceptance is a major mental health protector for LGBTQ+ youth • Leaving high control religious environments can bring grief and isolation • Queer families in conservative regions often face added legal and safety stress This episode is for anyone coming out later in life, for parents trying to support their kids while sorting out their own beliefs, and for friends who want to show up well when someone they love trusts them with their story. #RunningAhrens #FamilyConversations #ComingOutStories #QueerFamily #MarriageAndFaith #ParentingInTransition #LGBTQStories #RealTalk #ModernParenting #AudacityAndForward #MentalHealthMatters #ChosenFamily #PurposeDrivenLife #BeingHumanKind

The Firstborn: Mackenzie on Pressure, Rule-Breaking, and Becoming Herself

In this honest, funny, and very real conversation, Justin and Sarah sit down with their oldest child, Mackenzie, the one who made them parents and set the curve for everyone who came after. Born on Sarah’s birthday and right on her due date, Mackenzie talks about what it was really like to grow up as the first of four in a loud, intense, loving house. She shares how school started to fall apart in sixth grade, what it felt like to be “bad at turning things in,” and the huge shift that came when she was finally diagnosed with ADHD in high school. She remembers demanding sports parents, running gassers, throwing up at practice, sabotaging her own basketball tryout, sneaking out, secret social accounts, and being “the mean big sister” who threatened her siblings to keep quiet. Then she walks through the hard parts of college: flunking out, hiding it, making herself sick with anxiety, fighting her way back in, and eventually graduating on her own terms. Mackenzie also shares the story of coming out to her parents at a booth in a college bar, what she was most afraid of in that moment, and how that conversation reshaped their family and their expectations. Today, she talks about losing nearly 100 pounds, choosing therapy, working in a therapeutic autism school, and finally feeling at home in her own skin. It is a story about being the first one through the wall. About messing up, owning it, and trying again. About a kid who grew up in chaos and found a life of purpose, care, and steady joy. Takeaways & Talking Points: * What it really feels like to be the oldest in a family of four * How undiagnosed ADHD shapes school, behavior, and self-worth * Sports, pressure, and the line between pushing and breaking a kid * The “full-time job” of parenting a struggling teen, and what Mackenzie remembers * Sneaking out, getting caught, burner phones, and why she was “bad at being bad” * Coming out as bisexual to faith-shaped parents, and what everyone had to grieve and reframe * College probation, reinstatement, and rebuilding trust after hiding the truth * Finding her way back to special education and discovering work that fits how she is wired * What it took to change her health, heal her anxiety, and choose movement for herself Things We’re Learning (and Unlearning): * Firstborns often carry invisible pressure no one named out loud * Yelling and grounding can work short term, but shame lingers for years * Kids are not being “lazy” when their brains are working differently * Coming out is not just about identity, it is about safety, belonging, and being believed * Parents have to grieve their expectations so kids can grow into who they really are * Healing takes time, therapy, and a lot of small, boring choices * Your child’s path does not have to be linear to be good Stats Worth Knowing: * About 1 in 20 children are estimated to have ADHD, and late diagnosis is common, especially for girls * Roughly 30 percent of first-generation college students leave school within three years, often due to academic and mental health struggles * More than half of LGBTQ+ young people say family acceptance strongly protects their mental health This episode is for oldest kids who felt like the family experiment, for parents wondering if they “ruined everything” with their first, and for anyone trying to rebuild trust, identity, and health after a rough start. #RunningAhrens #FamilyConversations #OldestChildEnergy #ADHDStories #ComingOutStories #ParentingAdultKids #RealTalk #GrowingUpAhrens #FullHeartLiving #FamilyStories #MarriageAndParenting #MentalHealthMatters #ModernParenting #PurposeDrivenLife