38. Cultivating Patience and Attention in a Fast-Paced World
In this episode, the mother-daughter team dives into the challenge of maintaining focus and patience amidst the distractions of modern life, sharing personal stories, reflections on seasonal detoxes, and practical insights on cultivating mental clarity.
* The importance of developing attention span and patience in daily life
* Personal stories illustrating perseverance through unexpected challenges
* Reflections on seasonal technology fasts and their impact on focus
* The role of trials and waiting periods in spiritual and mental growth
* Strategies for restoring mental clarity and resilience in a distracted culture
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00:00 - Welcome and overview of the episode's focus on attention spans and detoxing from culture
00:28 - Introduction to the hosts and their background in homemaking and family life
01:21 - Sharing highs and lows of the week, including a hot tub story illustrating patience and perseverance
02:48 - The challenge with ordering and handling the hot tub cover; lessons in patience and resilience
10:24 - Celebrating upcoming personal milestones and sharing exciting projects like a farm stand and musical endeavors
12:46 - Discussing the importance of moving forward despite fears and setbacks
13:12 - The impact of full-time work and physical exertion on energy levels and attention
14:41 - Recognizing the need for rest and restoration amid busy life schedules
15:36 - The cultural challenge of balancing hobbies and stress, and avoiding burnout
22:55 - Reflecting on patience, waiting, and trusting God's timing during times of trial
23:49 - How recent weeks have affected their mental focus and attention spans
24:25 - Personal insights on mental clarity following a caffeine detox
25:50 - Nostalgia for seasonal technology fasts and the importance of resetting attention
27:19 - Closing thoughts on the significance of seasons for cultivating patience and attention
speaker-0 (00:00)
Have you seen this it was like an experiment where and I know I will botch all the details, but you'll get you'll get the concept. I'm kind of a big picture gal. ⁓ they put all of these people in a room and across the table they put their cell phones on there and they said, sit here for an hour and if you can sit here for an hour or whatever designated amount of time
Without touching your phone, we will pay you X amount of dollars, right? And there was like a handful of people, right? And they purposely left their phones on so they could hear it and they messaged it so you they were hearing this ping ping ping or whatever and the amount of people that could resist going to check on their phone for that hour
I think over half of failed. It was a high percentage where they couldn't just let it be.
speaker-1 (01:12)
Good morning everybody and welcome to Simply at the Table. We are a mother-daughter team gathering around our childhood table to talk about the how and why of homemaking for all of those who hope that the home they are cultivating is both lasting and worthwhile. If you have joined us before and have been impacted by what we share in any way, we encourage you to engage or share likewise. Follow us, rate the show, leave a message on our website, or join our sub stack, The Simple Life, for weekly reflections and other articles on topics that we discuss here, but also just other topics that we can expand on with greater time outside of the podcast as well. All of these different areas are great things to also invite other people into. There's plenty of room here at the table and we would love for more people to to join us. We also encourage you to visit Lockrem Homestead, Leisha's blog and our podcast sponsor, for articles on sourdough preservation and from scratch recipes. It is a beautiful way to practically serve those you love. But as always, welcome to the table. My name is Belle and with me are my sister Kathryn.
Our mama Leisha. And we are so glad that you have joined us here today as we wrap up our summer reset series. We are talking today about our attention span and detoxing a little bit from some of the culture that we exist in. but first I think we're doing highs and lows this week. So not only what has been good about the week, but what has been maybe a little bit
As we would say, y we get to learn how to grow through it. And it's maybe character building. What what have been those points for you guys?
speaker-0 (02:42)
For sure. I have two stories. Okay. I'm gonna start with kind of the Debbie Downer because I'm really excited about the high. So we bought this house and it had a hot tub with it. It probably wouldn't have been something that we would have opted for, but we are so grateful to have it. And so over the course of I wanna say last fall, I was staying in the deck and I was pressure.
washing it to get all the old stain off and everything, right? And I thought, ⁓ I've got this. I might as well clean off the top of the hot tub cover. Well, in doing so, I think I punctured through the membrane that keeps the insulation waterproof. Mm. So then over the course of the winter, the snow on it and then into the spring it and the rain in the spring, it got so waterlogged that you could barely
lift the hot tub cover. So we just knew we needed to get replaced. Scott had been trying probably for six weeks to order the hot tub cover from just one warehouse. He looked everywhere. This lady that he tried to order it from, he kept thinking, Do they not want my business? He's like, I've left messages and I've reached out and nothing. He's like
And he's like, This is the only place I can order this. So eventually we got it ordered and it was about forty minutes north of us to get it. And so I told Scott, I'll go get it because their hours are the same time that Scott works. So I just said, I'll bring Wellington, we'll we'll bring the trailer and we'll just we'll make it work. So we had to take off the old hot tub cover, strap it into the trailer, drive forty minutes north.
And so when we get there, oddest thing, I knock on the door, 'cause it's locked. This like a warehouse. And this guy answers a door. And have you ever knocked on the door? And the person that answers the door kind of wedges themselves. They don't fully open, kinda just kind of peek out as if But yeah, kinda like I don't want you to see.
speaker-2 (04:56)
Block the inside.
speaker-1 (05:00)
Yeah
that's like that's a such a red flag. Right, right.
speaker-0 (05:04)
But here's probably why. So it he's like a middle aged man and he answers the door and he's like, Can I help you? And I said, Yeah, my husband just lined up that we were gonna pick up the w a hot tub cover. ⁓ so I'm like he says that the person he was talking to got a hold of someone at the warehouse and you guys said it was fine. So I'm here, essentially. And in the background I hear this dog barking.
And I think, why is there a dog in the warehouse? So, anyways, he's like, Okay. So he closes the door and it's locked. So my son and I are standing on the steps outside of this building, kinda just waiting. And he comes back, he's like, Okay, okay. He's like, pull over there and see that big pile of pallets. Go ahead and unload your old hot tub cover there and then pull over here to this like
load and dock area and we'll give you your new hot tub cover. I'm like, okay. So Wellington and I we move the truck and we start to unstrap the hot tub cover. And this same guy comes out and I was really grateful for him and this other gentleman. They both came out and they helped us to unload it and heave it onto this pile of old hot tub covers because it was heavy. Like I was kind of concerned like, will I be able to help lift this thing with Wellington?
So anyways, we get it all situated. We kind of move the trailer in a position to be able to I can't back in a trailer. I've tried so many times and that leads into another awful story. But I got close enough and so the guys come out, they bring in the hot tub cover and they even load it onto the trailer for me. I'm like, great.
speaker-1 (06:48)
We got close enough.
speaker-0 (06:58)
Thank you. And I should mention at one point I had shown them like the serial number of the hot tub cover.
speaker-1 (07:07)
Okay. ⁓
speaker-0 (07:09)
Okay.
So he and I didn't think to look. I just thought like I already gave you my information. The lady that coordinated everything. Like you have all of our information, right? So I just say, Great, strap it in, head south because I'm trying to beat rush hour. Get it home. And Scott and I are on our way to like we're preparing to leave for out of town. So it's like the last night before we're gonna leave. I'm like
Prepping food and getting stuff ready in the kitchen. Scott is out trying to put on the new hot tub tub cover. He's like, I think I have enough time before it gets dark. I can put the new hot tub cover on because it's uncovered. It's just kind of hanging out because we brought the old one. Yes. And about a about an hour later, not even an hour, he comes and he's like, he's
speaker-1 (07:56)
Open to the elements at this point.
speaker-0 (08:04)
He's a little upset. He's like, You've gotta be joking. So he dealt with this lady for so long, just trying to order the thing. And he comes in, I'm like, what is the matter? He's like, it's the wrong cover. It's not even the same brand. We have a jacuzzi and it's like some other make and so and and we're about to leave to go out of town for a week. So it's a little frustrating he can't amend it.
So, anyways, on our trip down, we're corresponding and essentially we're like, We've already made the trip up to your warehouse. Like at this point, you gotta come down to us and bring make it right. Which they do. It was about a week later. And it was so funny because the guy when he brought it down, he spoke English and Spanish, but he had a couple of guys with him that were only Spanish speaking. And so Scott was talking with this gentleman and
Just kind of relaying the story. And the guy looks to his co-workers and sputs off this stuff in Spanish, like waving his arms and pointing to the hot tub cover and everyone's just like rolling their eyes, like like they have to come clean up somebody's mistake, essentially. Yeah. So that was kind of the downer. I would love to say that it's all fixed, but there's there's still progress in progress.
So that's kind of been our like month long chilly hot tub. Which, you know, first world problems, you know, like we've got food to eat, we're warm when we need to be and cool when we need to be. So all in all it's fine, but I don't think we'll ever have a hot tub again.
speaker-1 (09:48)
Because
of this experience, yeah.
speaker-2 (09:51)
Fair point.
speaker-0 (09:52)
Okay, so I I'm gonna just say my quick Yeah and then I won't be the only one talking.
speaker-1 (09:59)
It's a good story though. I mean I feel like those are the stories where it's like you kinda have to build it and just say like, Okay, here here's where we started and then this and then this and you should really know this detail. 'Cause like if you just said like we went and picked up a hot tub cover and it wasn't the right hot tub cover and like bah you know, like that's it's a story, but like that was a much better story to listen to. Yeah. But yeah, tell us about our high coming back from your your low.
speaker-0 (10:27)
Months long low. The high is that I am opening a farm stand and I'm really excited about it. So I've got about a dozen loaves of sourdough in my fridge in our garage. And I've got a ton of cookies, cookie dough, and a bunch of other little trinkety things, some soap and some salts and some ceramic from a local mm ceramic maker. It's a girlfriend of Belle's. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just fun. So I think it was really born out of that weekend of serving Kathryn for her retreat. And something in me clicked. I'm like, I love this. And so and it's funny because last fall Scott had given a project for Wellington to build a farm stand. Not really sure what was gonna come out of it, but he wanted him to build this for a school project between designing it
Pricing it out and then to completion and all the things. So that's tomorrow. So I'm really excited about it. I'm a little nervous. It was one of those moments where Kathryn was with me. I'm like, Okay, I gotta I gotta publish just this information to social media. Like I don't want to, but I I'm scared, but I know it's the thing I gotta do. ⁓
speaker-2 (11:48)
just telling her we like switch spots for a second. I was just telling her all the things that she always tells me. Like it's fine, it'll be good for you to get out there and X Y and Z and Don't be scared of them. They're just people. What do they care? And
speaker-1 (11:55)
Kathryn
speaker-0 (12:05)
Yeah. But it's good. It's good to know that I'm I'm still moving forward, even though I feel a certain way. I'm not catering to my feelings.
speaker-1 (12:15)
Courage isn't the absence of fear, it's doing it despite being afraid. Right. Good and really good things come out of that. So yeah.
speaker-2 (12:20)
Dang it.
speaker-0 (12:26)
So anyways, enough about me talking. How about you girls? Hi Lows.
speaker-1 (12:30)
Do you Kathryn, do you have any high lows from this last week?
speaker-2 (12:33)
My high is probably that now that I have a full time job I get to start moving towards flying. So just being able to start scheduling that out, that's been the high I think. And then probably a low is that I've just been extremely exhausted for probably hormonal reasons. Well, y I don't know. 'Cause I've done that before. But yeah, just I'll sleep in and then wake up after I've slept many hours when I'm used to like not many hours.
speaker-0 (12:51)
Full time.
Your new job is quite a bit more physical and early. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
speaker-2 (13:05)
This is true.
So getting used to all that and starting it all at like your lowest point in your cycle has been really exciting. And coming off of a busy week of a lot of people after just being sick, I don't think I've actually let myself fully recharge. So just keeping on pressing on, that's maybe been the low.
speaker-0 (13:28)
A lot of grad parties.
speaker-2 (13:30)
Red parties, lots of people that I kinda know, so it's the effort of small talk. Small talk isn't my least favorite thing in this world. So all of those things put together.
speaker-0 (13:40)
But at least you can talk this week.
speaker-2 (13:43)
Yes, this is true. I have my voice back. I don't sound like a frog, so that's good.
speaker-1 (13:48)
New job, which I know has been something for you recently that has been it's like a long prayer, long time search. So yeah, it'll
It works. Yeah. And sometimes it's just the season. I know that that has been my low for the last weeks. I so it's funny because mom, your whole story about the hot tub. Like, I think you were driving down to Tennessee and we were Marco polling back and forth, and you were like, I just keep thinking of you because and trying to be gracious with this lady because she's like, This is your job. I'm like, Yeah. So I I work essentially a
a call center to schedule carpet for a pretty large, like we're we're partnered with a pretty large like home renovation kind of store. And so knowing all of those things, you know, we get a lot of customers who are needing to schedule their carpet. And then we're also working with independent contractors like the gentleman who brought your brought your correct hot tub cover down.
And so, yeah, the last couple of weeks I've been pretty, pretty over my job. This is maybe the best way to say it. And it's fun because I'm there are new things ahead that are kind of cooking, but they have a timestamp of when I have to wait for it. So it's like the light is at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel is like much further than I thought it was. It's kinda like when you were a kid and you were like holding your breath to go through the tunnel. And when you get about halfway through and you're like, I thought the tunnel was gonna be done by now.
That's the point we're at.
speaker-0 (15:21)
Bell's learning perseverance.
speaker-1 (15:24)
I'm learning some perseverance and I'm learning where my physical limitations are when I push myself, which has been a lifelong struggle to know what rest looks like. And we often talk about, you know, if someone were to run a marathon, you wouldn't then ask them to go to Disney World, even though Disney World is fun. You're putting in your ten thousand steps to walk around that.
speaker-0 (15:47)
None of us know how to do that.
speaker-1 (15:49)
But mentally it's the same thing. Right. So if mentally you've run a marathon and I'm newly married, I've had a new I've had two different jobs in the last time that I've there's been a lot of change in the last little bit. And so I think I'm for the first time realizing that my body can't do it all. So that's my low is persevering and learning how to grow and rest through some of those things. I would say my high
speaker-2 (15:51)
Disney World of course.
speaker-1 (16:17)
I have a group of friends from college and we got together really recently. I feel like there are people in that friend group that I just haven't been friends with for a while. And so it's sweet to see how those friendships are reforming now in adulthood. but I have one particular friend who like she's like the rally the troops gal of our group and she is like wanting to go on this creative endeavor and essentially like write a musical, which is really exciting. And
She was like, I wanna make a think tank of people. And so she was bringing in people to do that. And she's so fun. And the group of that. Yeah. And the group of people is so fun. And it's been a really long time since I've like tapped into that like late night little manic lot of coffee. Like you're a little shaky, but like every idea is a good idea kind of thing. So that was like that was this last Friday. And that was like
speaker-0 (16:51)
And she's so fun.
speaker-1 (17:13)
the highlight of probably the last like month for me. It was just so fun. So what's I I can't disclose that. That's up to her. I'm just I'm just part of the think tank, but I'm really excited for it. It's like the right group of people to be like kind of wacky with. And so I'm really excited because she it's one of those things where she's like, no, we're actually gonna put this on. Like we're actually going to bring people in to I know I that's what I'm telling.
speaker-2 (17:19)
The musical about?
A lot of actors. Literally
so many.
speaker-1 (17:42)
Actors.
speaker-2 (17:45)
have a friend who's going to college to produce a movie, so if you wanna like really
speaker-1 (17:49)
I will let her know. Banging out there. Trying to figure out like who do we have as our troop people? I will let her know that Catherine has people.
speaker-0 (17:58)
I'll have my people talk to your people.
speaker-1 (18:01)
Well
we'll I'll sit down and be in contact. But yeah, she is like she's like, I want it to happen like summer of twenty twenty seven. And it was funny because one of the our other friends was like, Why wait so long? The main gal was like, What do you mean so long? That's like really fast. We're all adults. We all have like normal lives. Like really s and we were all joking, we're like, This is what it is to have hobbies as an adult. Like you kinda gotta
speaker-2 (18:26)
We were talking to a friend of ours that makes pottery. Yeah. She was at our house. She's ⁓ selling some pottery at mom's farm stand tomorrow and she's talking about all her hobbies that are so fun and her husband was telling us like the things that are supposed to be fun for her are the things that are stressing her out. Like, I have to go make sure I glaze these at this time and I have to put them in the X, Y, and Z and then I've gotta crochet some of these things. He's like These things that you should be delighting in.
Or what's stressing you out? Kiwin the hobbies episode from last week.
speaker-0 (18:59)
Yeah.
speaker-1 (19:00)
That episode is for and for us. ⁓ but yeah, no, I definitely went in from our last conversation on hobbies into the think tank being like, guys, this is my time to shine. This is what brings me life. So it was a really it was a really fun time and I felt like that could probably carry me. And then upcoming this week we have my birthday party in like a week and a half. So that will be in a couple of weeks I'll be able to break down how fun that was. But that's for another another little bit. Yeah. But
speaker-2 (19:30)
I also know I have many, many friends who produce music, so if you need I don't know if it's gonna be an indie type musical, but it's got I know so many music people who do indie music.
speaker-1 (19:35)
Mm-hmm.
She's little
speaker-0 (19:44)
So stay tuned.
speaker-1 (19:46)
And
exciting things are coming.
speaker-2 (19:48)
Musical it doesn't sound like it's gonna be a homestead musical knowing the group of people. Okay.
speaker-1 (19:51)
It means
Listen, I don't know. I told them 'cause they're like, Where could we hold it? And I was like, Well my parents have a pole bar if you need to use it as a backstage and they're like, That could be so fun 'cause it's a very like carnival y esque
speaker-0 (20:06)
Do you know actually what would be so great? What? Okay.
speaker-2 (20:10)
This is how we our brains work right here.
speaker-1 (20:13)
Yeah. It's like twenty minutes in. That's okay, we'll get to it.
speaker-0 (20:17)
Okay. Okay. In the very backfield, 'cause it goes up to a hill, that could be where people sit. And the grass could be the stage. Mm.
speaker-1 (20:28)
The only thing I'm thinking about and why I suggested the pole barn though, because our pole barn has two open sides to it. And so there's also outlets in there that can be used. So like for lights and if we're doing anything with like speakers to get all those chords out there, it's possible. Yeah. I just don't know how much effort we're wanting to put into all the different pieces. So that was our thought. But anyways, this fe I feel like is a great segue into the fact that we're talking about attention spans and
speaker-0 (20:57)
Disap
speaker-2 (20:57)
And we're just growing
speaker-1 (21:01)
It's like when you want to learn patience and then the Lord presents you with opportunities to learn how to be patient. And twenty minutes later here you are. ⁓
speaker-0 (21:15)
Are you stretched?
speaker-2 (21:18)
That I've been praying for this week, kind of along the same lines of like, Lord, I'm not praying for lighter loads. I'm just praying for stronger shoulders. And he's like
speaker-1 (21:26)
Okay. Here's this thing. Okay, Lord.
speaker-2 (21:30)
Why did I ask you for this?
speaker-1 (21:33)
The Lord hears us for better, for worse. Anyways, talking about attention span.
Guys, it's one of those weeks. Talking about attention span, I would love to hear where you guys have felt stretched or where you feel like maybe in recent days you've noticed how your attention span has been impacted by the world around us. Yeah.
speaker-0 (22:01)
You know, first I would like before w I answer your question, I just wanna let everyone know that we're n we're not experts. We're just we're just traversing this path with you guys. And if anything we can say can encourage you or bring insight, great. I just wanna make sure you you have the right understanding that we're speaking to ourselves in a lot of these
Conversations too. So for whatever reason, I just felt like I needed to share that. But with the attention span, what's funny is that this last week I have felt so cued in mentally. And I think it's because I went through that huge caffeine detox. I like Scott, I have this mental clarity. Like I don't feel this fogginess, which
I also have this farm stand and that does give me a little bit of a buzz and a little bit of like there's this type A must meet the objective thing that comes like I just tune in. So that might be part of it too. But yeah, I've just been really clear. So that's been really cool to experience. But in attention spans, I was thinking about this earlier this week and I don't remember if you kids remember this.
I don't think we did it every year, but yeah, maybe I'll share it and then you guys can just share what you remember of it. But do you remember when school was done, transitioning into summer, how we did like a essentially like a technology fast where we just didn't watch TV or we didn't use our phones for just a few days to just kind of recalibrate. It's like you you were stretching yourself to be bored again.
Because you're going through this high paced, quick lifestyle.
speaker-2 (23:59)
Instinct gratification type.
speaker-0 (24:01)
Well, not even instant gratification, but just like, you know, the end of the school year is insane. Yeah. There's so many things and when you've got multiple kids, right? Like all the dance recitals and all of the like award things and everything is tying up and it just gets really busy. And then to transition into summer, it's kind of like you have to kind of stretch yourself again to remember that like
yeah. The days are long and slow and that's kinda the point, you know.
speaker-2 (24:34)
Sure.
speaker-1 (24:35)
I don't I guess have a super clear memory of that being like an annual occasion.
speaker-0 (24:40)
No, it for sure wasn't like an every year thing.
speaker-1 (24:43)
I feel like there have just been seasons of my life and maybe it's just because there was a point in some of that attention deficit that I felt was brought on by me and like self inflicted. And so some of those detoxes were then self-inflicted. And that was much more as I got into being more independent. And that really kinda went through the end of high school. I remember in that same kind of season of figuring out with technology.
I feel like there are moments where I started realizing that my brain was getting really either really full and like I could feel how much like music was taking up space or media was taking up space in the actual like confines of my brain. But then there was also areas where I was like, I feel like I can't do something that I used to do anymore. Like I remember getting a ⁓ like an analog clock from Target because I was like, I only look at my phone. I can't read a clock.
on the wall and that's concerning to me. And so some of those were yeah, I don't I guess remember like set moments within our childhood, but it must have been there because that pattern carried with me into adulthood of like, I'm noticing this sign or that sign and this is actually there's a high enough value that I have on this to discipline myself in these areas and let myself get back to boredom, you know. So
speaker-2 (26:10)
Yeah, I notice when I write I can feel my attention to span thinning but it's also like I feel like my irritability goes higher, like I'm more sensitive, like everything's irritating and nothing's satisfying. Yeah. Like everything is not satiating. Like I never feel entertained. I never feel excited. I never feel like the highs and lows. That's just like
dulled out in them and nothing feels like worth it anymore. And I think another the biggest trigger for me is like when I put like my phone down or listen to too much music or X, Y, and Z, like anything too much of a good thing is bad. Yeah. So even too much music, even though I love it, is like you just feel guilty when you put it down. And I know guilt is maybe not there's conviction and there's guilt, but there's just that sinking feeling of like
speaker-0 (26:57)
Yeah.
speaker-2 (27:11)
I know I shouldn't have.
speaker-0 (27:13)
Like you shouldn't have stopped listening to music or
speaker-2 (27:17)
I
shouldn't have like done it to the gre degree I did. Like if I'm scrolling on my phone and then I put my phone down and I look at the time I'm like mm, I should not have done it for that long. Or X, Y, and Z. Like there's that sinking feeling of just like Shoot. Yeah. Like I wasted this time or X, Y, and Z. There's like a sinking feeling.
speaker-0 (27:32)
Kind of remorse.
Right. I know that I feel like when you kids were minors and we had some pretty not strict guidelines, but like we didn't allow you guys to have your phones overnight. Like we wanted you to have kind of a
turn off point so that you wouldn't be like dwelling on it, right? Mm-hmm. you didn't have access to your phone all the time, which I thought was a good balance, and just some other stipulations with social media and different things. But I think that it is interesting to see you girls both kind of jump off into adulthood and you kinda have to
flounder a little bit. I and this is I'm talking maybe to the moms where it can be hard to let your kids go because they can look like a hot mess for a little bit. You know what I mean? But it's like because as a parents when you're the regulator and then you remove yourself from being the regulator
speaker-2 (28:46)
They're gonna swing so far.
speaker-0 (28:47)
You kinda have to swish around for a little bit and I think that has been the hardest thing for me is to watch you knowing that eventually you're gonna get sick of it and you guys are gonna pull back.
speaker-2 (28:58)
Mm-hmm.
speaker-0 (29:03)
And find that balance. But I think what's important is that because you did have that upbringing, you know what it feels like to be in balance. Yeah. And so then when you kind of dive off and you right, there's a little bit of freedom and that's exciting. ⁓ but then when it catches up with you because it usually does, right? You usually feel it in your body first. Right. ⁓
speaker-1 (29:28)
For sure.
speaker-0 (29:30)
And then when you're just you get to the point of just being sick of it. And this can be with technology, food, ri really any too much of a good thing. Yeah. You know, you kind Or not a good thing for sure, right? Anything out of moderation can kind of have a deep hole.
speaker-2 (29:42)
Or not a good thing.
speaker-1 (29:51)
Yeah. And I think the the thing that was most helpful as somebody who did the floundering on the other side of it is to have words to express why. And I d I d technically knew a way to fix it, you know? Like I wasn't without the tools and I wasn't wandering through a maze without a direction in sight. It was very much for the exploration of like, I don't know if I want that. Mm-hmm. I want to figure it out my own way.
And I'm gonna go down this rabbit trail. But then at the end of that rabbit trail, it's like I it's a little prodigal son esque where it's like, well, I know that like over here, this might not be like all of the fun th that this is, but I know that there's some need in me that will get taken care of if I do X, Y, and Z. And at some point the value of for I mean, as we're talking about attention span, the ability to like be satiated and entertained.
unto myself the ability to like not be crippled without a device or without some focus point to be able to enter into spaces, not feel like time is fleeting. Some of those different pieces hold more value to me. And so it it does give enough weight to then use the tools that I was taught with growing up. Yeah. And so also speaking to the parents there who are like, well what do I do if they're just gonna pendulum swing anyways.
It's like still give them the tools 'cause even if they shut in a drawer for a little bit, they'll know that the tools are still there and they'll know why they were valuable. But at some point they have to decide it's valuable for themselves as well.
speaker-0 (31:25)
And
speaker-2 (31:31)
Yeah, sometimes I think with that pendulum swing idea, right, you kinda just have to let the kids swing to the other way for a little bit so that they can level out. And I think I've seen it in some people's situations where they're so scared that somebody is gonna go the complete opposite direction and so they push even higher the other way. And so when they do release they have so much more momentum than just swing all the way where they didn't want them to go.
speaker-0 (31:53)
Yeah.
speaker-2 (32:00)
And it's kinda like you gotta let them.
speaker-0 (32:02)
Right, 'cause it's scary. I mean, as a parent to to let your kid go and trust that they're gonna choose the same things that you chose for them, right? They don't always, right. And I think that you know, having adult kids is probably the time that I have prayed the most for my family because I I realize that my
speaker-2 (32:15)
Fortunately they don't always
speaker-0 (32:32)
authority only goes so far anymore. ⁓ and so I pray. Absolutely. I know that the Lord will do what he's gonna do in in your guys' lives. And really, you know, I think that the big mistake in in my journey is to believe that I had any control really along the way at all that I could control of your guys' actions, you know.
⁓ obviously we're leading you ⁓ but really ultimately you guys are gonna choose what you're gonna choose. You know. So Yeah. Yeah, but in terms of attention span, I think that, you know, a lot of us find ourselves in a place where all of a sudden we're tied to our phone, we're tied to ⁓ social media longer than we desire to be. We're tied to all of these places
speaker-2 (33:09)
Yeah.
speaker-0 (33:31)
I liken it to all of a sudden you're backed into corner, you didn't realize you know, it's like how did I get here? and the idea of unwinding yourself from that is probably gonna be just as slow as kind of getting there. ⁓ but start with little things like Scott and I, if we're going out as just the two of us, I will just leave my phone at home, you know.
really at that point if Scott and I are going out to dinner or going grocery shopping or whatever and really th the kids are the only people that I is pressing that I n that need to get a hold of me. And I'll just send a message out to the kids like, Hey, I'm leaving my phone at home. If you need anything, get a hold of dad. Because Scott doesn't care about his phone. He's not tied to managing all the socials and he's removed a lot of those things from his phone. And so
He's just if someone's gonna call him or if he has to look something up, that's really what his phone is there for. ⁓ so I will leave my phone a lot of times when we kind of retire into the living room, I'll leave my phone in the kitchen and kind of same thing. Like if if the kids need us, Scott has his phone, but he's not naturally gravitated gravitated to let me start that over.
speaker-1 (34:57)
Gravitating towards some latte.
speaker-0 (34:59)
Yeah.
He's not looking to grab his phone during a commercial in the same way. He's just content to just be. So Yeah.
speaker-1 (35:11)
I there was a day that I had left my phone somewhere, like on a counter and rushed out the door to get to work and in rushing out the door and leaving it I didn't look at it for the entire day and this was back when I was at my I was a front desk lady, so there's a lot of just open time. And w what I found is that in the silences I wasn't trying to fill it with anything 'cause I knew that there was nothing to go to.
And so it was just by the end of the day I was like, Whoa, my brain feels so quiet and I don't feel like someone is waiting for me in the same way. Yeah. And so there are now times that I will very intentionally like leave my phone in another room if I'm doing stuff around ⁓ turn off notifications and just have music in and like essentially hide it away. Yeah. So that it's just further out. And I have even started
thinking like it might be worth to just if I'm unless I'm like going out somewhere where I'm like not sure what time I'll be home, like there's not predictability around it, it might be worth it to just leave it. Like if I know how to get there, 'cause that's a big thing, is like sometimes I don't know how to Right. If I'm running to the store, I don't need to have my phone. I have everything I need. I can grab my wallet and just go. And so finding those different pockets of time
speaker-0 (36:26)
Yeah, store.
speaker-1 (36:37)
Because the thing that I find actually most urgent is any time I'm getting a a a text from somebody. Like I've I've kind of untangled myself from some of the social media realms. But for me it's like, ⁓ you know, between our family here and all of our events and kind of managing all the calendars, and then between Simon's family and managing the calendars and then all of my friends who are pretty vocal, we've we've been far enough away from each other where text is a pretty prevalent form of
Hey, are you available here? Or hey, do you want to do something here? Or hey, can you X, Y, and Z? And I realize that the moment a notification comes in, there's like a ticking time clock. Like I'm sure I'm like, no wonder Captain Hook went insane. Like tiny little ticking in the back of my head that builds urgency for me in a in a way that like nothing else does. And so if it's out of sight and out of mind and I don't know it's there.
speaker-0 (37:21)
There's like this tiny.
You can rest.
speaker-1 (37:34)
Then I can rest in some of that silence. And I didn't realize how bad it was until that day where I just left stuff at home.
speaker-0 (37:40)
Have you seen this ⁓ it was like an experiment where and I know I will botch all the details, but you'll get you'll get the concept. I'm kind of a big picture gal. ⁓ they put all of these people in a room and across the table they put their cellphones on there and they said, Sit here for an hour
And if you can sit here for an hour or whatever designated amount of time without touching your phone, we will pay you X amount of dollars, right? And there was like a handful of people, right? And they purposely left their phones on so they could hear it and they messaged it so you they were hearing this ping, ping, ping or whatever. And
The amount of people that could resist going to check on their phone for that hour, I think over half of failed. It was a high percentage where they couldn't just let it be. They just had to know kind of going back to your point, Belle, about like that that urgency of like I must get it. I must see what's there. And I think it taps into that FOMO, like what am I missing?
What do I need to get to? So I do know that ⁓ when Scott and I were down in this at that Homestead and Festival, there were a couple of publications there and I thought it was really interesting. One of ⁓ was geared towards more family, ⁓ more middle age, probably closer to my age, maybe a little younger. The other one I would say was geared towards like
twenty somethings. And I thought that was really funny because this idea that it was a wellness magazine and they were trying to bring balance, essentially saying like you can pursue wellness without having it be the dominant thing in your life. Here are some ways to enter in without it being all consuming. Yeah. And it was a very beautiful publication, very trendy.
very aesthetically pleasing, beautiful work. but I asked them, I said, are you seeing people wanting this physical form over digital? And they were saying that, yeah, actually we started as I think a digital, but people were wanting a real hard copy. And there's like this thing going around, have you heard of it? Like
Live in a nineties summer?
speaker-1 (40:27)
yeah.
Yeah. People are going back to corded phones and landlines and raising their kids on that or taking their smartphone and I I saw this one video where it was like a girl has a chain hooked into her wall and a phone case on the end of that chain and so she can take it out when she leaves the house but otherwise she has to stay in the vicinity of where it's chained to the wall.
speaker-0 (40:51)
Yeah.
speaker-1 (40:51)
I was like, that's brilliant. So like any work that she does, she has like one stool next to it. Sure. And so there's an inherent time limit for how it's not like a comfy chair that you can like rest in. Absolutely. It's like purely functional. Yeah. What that is for. I love it. I would go back to a landline with my kids in a heartbeat and have a couple of phones that they can take out if they need to go. But that would be like a family phone.
speaker-0 (41:11)
Yeah.
speaker-1 (41:19)
Sure. Everything else is just like you wanna call ⁓ This good old fashioned. Someone else is on the phone, wait your turn.
speaker-0 (41:26)
Yeah. And the other part about that, so my aunt uncle they had a big old farmhouse and their phone was kind of i in the corner of their dining room. It was the only phone in their whole house, other than I think the parents had one up in their bedroom, like a landline telephone. It was public. Yeah. And get this, because they were in the country, it was like
some kind of a country line so that like everybody down this whole road if they picked up the phone at any given time your conversation could be heard by every one of your neighbors. So not only public in your own home, but public to to the whole neighborhood.
speaker-2 (42:18)
Easy censorship.
speaker-1 (42:19)
You were not doing anything crazy over that phone unless you wanted the whole neighborhood to eat. Right. Yeah. And yeah, I I love some of those things. I think we are getting to a very people are craving analog. They're craving, you know, physical photos. Film is coming back as a form of photography. You know, we're we're wanting events, we're wanting to be around people and we're
you know, snail mail is becoming a thing again where people want to have collected items sent to them where they can physically have it. And I think all of it just shows our craving generationally in how fast paced the world is to get to a point where we're off the internet. Like I was talking with somebody and there's this theory out there that the internet at some point will become so overrun with AI and like I feel like we're tipping towards that point slowly.
where really the only thing it's the blackout theory that essentially the only thing that will exist on the internet is its own little world of AI and will actually ha desert that world and exist in a more kind of old fashioned world because of the way things are shifting. And I would say like you can kind of see it in some of the trends. People are wanting and craving things that are less digital and less online. For sure. And longer. Yeah.
speaker-2 (43:49)
feel like we're just craving authenticity. You know, everything online feels super curated and super fake and I think people are just craving real life. Like the real rawness of just the mundane. Yeah. We don't want highlight reels anymore. We just want relatability of like this is actual life and this is actual highs and lows, you know, and also just
Everything in between, not just
speaker-0 (44:21)
Yeah,
that that there's value to sit in across the table from someone right. Like someone can just stop by. I think that's what I'm looking forward to the most of this farm stand is yes, the idea of the potential and ⁓ sharing things. But also just that
people could come to our homestead in the very bottom of my message I had said, Bring your kids, let them run in the fields. Yeah. Let them feed the chickens. Like I really am hopeful that it can just be a place that people can get away from all of the noise of the city. And we're right on the outskirts of the city in the country. Mm-hmm. And so it's rather convenient to get to
But I kinda just I want people to come for bread, but I don't mind if they sit and linger all night long kind of a thing. I've I've kind of made this night a place holder in my schedule where I'm just available all night long. And I haven't really done that for a long time and I'm really looking forward to it. ⁓ and so
It's interesting. We keep diving into the technology end of it, but I'm curious how do you girls see all this technology stuff pulling back to your attention span? Because really it it's you know, we're talking about the attention span but we keep referencing all the the technology.
speaker-2 (45:56)
Yeah.
speaker-1 (45:58)
Yeah, I mean I think you can't really talk about one without the other, which is why they really go hand in hand. But I think there are tools that we can use to help extend it and still allow technology to be a useful tool while engaging still in a very real world, ⁓ and finding a healthy balance for both. And I know that for me, like once again, a lot of my desires to
go and expand that attention has been derived out of shoot, I don't know how to be bored anymore. Like when I'm sitting, I don't know what to do with my brain in this moment and I don't like that feeling. ⁓ or it's not natural for me to be creative anymore. Like I think creativity comes out of boredom. It comes out of spaces where inspiration is allowed to grow. ⁓ and if you are constant it's like that that what comes in goes out, right?
speaker-0 (46:48)
Yeah.
speaker-1 (46:55)
If you're just constantly inputting, at some point it becomes so oversaturated that everything is gonna just sound like everything else, you know? And so I think even for people who are like, Man, like I l love writing or I love drawing and I just I'm stuck in a writer's block or I'm stuck in an artist block, like I don't know what to do anymore, it's like, well, when's the last time you weren't looking for inspiration comparatively to other artists? Like when's the last time you stepped outside of your medium?
And like like I love to write, so I love to read and those two go hand in hand. But I also love to watch Broadway musicals. I love to like break down cinema and see what things are happening there. I love to like go on a walk and like w people watch and like see what's actually happening in the world around me. And some of those different practices and the conversations that I have around them actually help feed into that area of creativity. And so, ⁓
I think just knowing first where what are your signs that your attention span is thin? A couple of the best ones, I feel like Kathryn listed them really well earlier where it's like, does your brain feel itchy? Does nothing feel satiating? Do you feel like you can't put something down or can't have something in front of you? Otherwise you're gonna be bored. ⁓ you know, there is attention deficit disorder that exists out there, but also think that there's just a generational
speaker-2 (48:27)
Without it it life is dull.
speaker-1 (48:29)
Right. Can you differentiate between some of those two? You know? That's a trickier conversation, but I would say the vast majority of people probably just exist in a world where we have so much input that, you know, that if that was quiet, how much of your brain would you be left with? And what is what is your do you know what your own brain sounds like, you know?
speaker-2 (48:51)
For sure. And I think when we are saturated with so many final results, you know, the highlight reel of like this is my final product or this is like the big event, even with like the farm stand, like this is the end result that I've worked towards but we never see the process or the behind the scenes or the mundane everyday steps that led up to it. Then when you get to like, I wanna do something and you're confronted with those mundane steps, I know I had that realization preparing for that retreat.
It's like, ⁓ this is actually what it takes and ⁓ this is actually like it's not just like da da da da boom, it's here. Voila. Perfect cute little curated aesthetic thing.
speaker-0 (49:32)
We
had a bullet point plan and session.
speaker-2 (49:35)
It's a whole process and I think actually a lot of perfectionism can be a result of only seeing the perfect side of things, you know, we never see the authentic side of things. I was talking with someone and they had said this off hand comment and it stuck with me for a while. I've been trying to process through and like kinda test it against the Bible. But they're like
It's funny when you realize that the main point of control that God has given you is self control. Like the main point of control. He's like yes, he's g let us govern the world, but the main point of control that he's told us and given us is self control. Sure, that's like really spirit. Right. That's really what we get to manage is ourselves. And if you manage yourself well, then you can interact with the world well. And I've thought about that a lot 'cause like
I've realized a lot of these attention span things are like a lot of other things, whatnot, have you? Don't even know what I just said right there. It was like don't worry, it's salad. It's like your brain
speaker-1 (50:46)
It's
moving and you're like, There's a filler here.
speaker-2 (50:49)
Yeah, exactly. But it's like it's just because I've let myself go off the deep end. Like I haven't reined myself in. So like social media, I'm sure it's fine in moderation, but sometimes I let myself go past that point. Sure. And that's when it feels like too much. Sure. Or like I love this fun snack, but then I go off the rails and eat it all in one night and then like my skin blows up and I wonder why. It's like that's a good thing, but in moderation.
Right. And I just think I think we forget because we like diagnose so many things and then follow it up with a band aid. I think we forget that it takes self discipline to actually heal the root. Yeah. Like we forget at least I do. Like, well if I do this one thing it'll be better. If I do this one thing it's like actually you don't add things. You just discipline what you already have. Yeah.
speaker-0 (51:33)
Yeah.
speaker-1 (51:47)
Which I think is such a good call because as we're talking about this, I've even had in the back of my head like, Shoot All right, where am I where am I diving off the deep end, you know? Like where are those different areas? And I think it like the unglamorous answer to a lot of these things is like, the actual answer is not like like I've been sitting here and I'm like, ⁓ I should like carve out an hour of my day and write diligently and like
Once I have that sort of discipline, like then everything will blossom out of that. It's like, well, when's the last time that you like actually read a book instead of watching a movie and like swapped those two? 'Cause you already have that time built into your day.
speaker-0 (52:29)
Yeah, it's not that you don't have time, it's just that you're not prioritizing for sure.
speaker-1 (52:31)
But you're choosing prior. Right.
And it's like even other areas where I'm like, How good at am I at doing my dishes? You know, or folding the laundry that's sitting on the floor and like actually allowing myself to not chase after the more fun thing in that moment, but choosing to steward actually the thing that I do have before me. And like it's funny 'cause it's like the
the least fun answer for the for the thing that you are wanting. But it's like it's also the thing that our heart is craving to some degree is like that's what authentic life really looks like. It's not the finished product and it isn't the like project you've been working on and now it's beautiful and wonderful. And it's all of the in between moments where you put your hand to the wheel and you did the work set before you. Yeah. I love that.
picture of and I feel like it freed something up in my soul all of a sudden like, ⁓ the only thing I have control over is how I how I discipline myself in these moments. And the Lord has given me enough to enter in and discipline just me. I don't have to I don't have to sort out like everything going on with Simon. I don't have to sort out everything going on with like my friends and family. Like that's not what the Lord gave me to steward. He gave me stewardship over
my life and my energies and my talents mm and out of that he will lead me in certain places and teach me certain things. And I love that because it it if it's a fruit of the spirit, it inherently means you have to walk with the spirit. For sure. And that's a daily action, you know.
speaker-2 (54:04)
For sure.
It also means though that it's a result. You know? Like it's a result. No. Yeah. But it's a r it's not like right. You can't just s squeeze your fist really hard and out pops an egg. You know what?
speaker-0 (54:19)
You can't just force it.
speaker-1 (54:33)
Okay,
sure.
speaker-0 (54:34)
Homestead of chickens in Utah.
speaker-2 (54:37)
I almost said an apple and that really didn't make sense.
speaker-1 (54:41)
For the
secret see
speaker-2 (54:44)
But like we can't Well, that's a completely different thought. But like you can't treat dopamine with dopamine. Sure. So like right the answer is not exciting. Yeah. But yeah, it's kind of
speaker-0 (54:59)
Yeah.
speaker-2 (55:00)
Relax
not really but it's relieving to think about it this way.
speaker-0 (55:03)
Yeah, 'cause we're all looking for the shortcut, right? Like and really the answer is not super exciting and shiny and like it'll get you there quick. It's kind of like, no, you have to choose it every day. You have to choose to not look at your phone. You have to choose to go sit and look out at the sky. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And eventually it will adjust.
speaker-2 (55:26)
Things take time.
speaker-1 (55:33)
I have one more question, I guess, before we really start wrapping things up. But I know that like even as I was coming into this conversation, I just know that there are things in my own life where I'm like, man, some things could get reined in, you know? And across many different areas. Like many areas of discipline where I feel like I'm choosing the comfortable thing, not the areas that I've been convicted in. And the idea of tackling all those different areas
it sounds exhausting and it sounds overwhelming to me. I know that the end product will be good. Like I have the tools, I've been equipped with the knowledge, but I'm sitting at this point where it's like, man, the rock is at the bottom of the hill and we're pushing it up the hill. And I know once I get to the top, the rock will fall down and it will be lighter, you know? Very much pilgrim's progress, the burdens will fall off at the foot of the cross kind of moment. But until then I have to faithfully choose to like
put my feet before me and work off some of these habits. what would your guys' encouragement be to people who are in like situations where they want it, they see the value of it, and the path there really feels like the straight and narrow, ⁓ and feels really hard to choose day over day over day over day.
speaker-0 (56:59)
You know, when you kids were little and I was teaching you the art of making a decision, right? Like choose to do your schoolwork, to not do your schoolwork. Do you remember this? And I I taught you like you have these two decisions before you and you can look at face value, those things. And I taught you to look be the next step beyond it, kind of the fruit of that decision.
Like that's actually how you should be making your decision, right? Like if I do my schoolwork, on the other end of that comes the subtleness of knowing that it's taken care of. You're mentally free then to ⁓ move on. If you don't do your homework, all of a sudden there's this monkey on your back, you're trying to like dodge it, you're it you're just unsettled, right? You're you're trying to figure out ways to like get around it.
There might be some deception in there, right? There yeah. There's all sorts of different things. The flesh part of you wants to just not do the homework because that's what feels good. There's nothing really great about the idea of yeah, sitting down for an hour and doing my math homework, whatever, right? But on the the op the e other side of those decisions comes fruit. And
speaker-2 (58:24)
Yeah.
speaker-0 (58:26)
And that's where you want to decide what fruit do I want. I mean the Bible talks about it. Choose life and blessing or death and cursing, right? Like you have decisions of what you can choose. And it's not saying that not doing your homework, but you get the idea that like you are making decisions. What is it that you ultimately want the fruit of? Right? Every time I'm confronted with
not wanting to do something, I ask, like, well why isn't that I don't wanna do it? And a lot of times the angst is greater in me than the actual obstacle of doing it. Like there's never, ever a single time I delight in unloading the dishwasher. Really ever. I'm always like, I gotta psych myself up to do it. And yet it's done in two minutes.
And so the like mental gymnastics of trying to get there or not get there or whatever to to do it, I just know I don't go into that mental debate anymore. I just do it because by the time I would get to the other side of like convincing myself to do it, I could have been done. Yeah. You know? And A that has bring brought me a lot of rest. Th there's some mental rest there. And ultimately
That is the fruit I want. I want an orderly kitchen 'cause I like making food and I like when it's tidy. I like when we all gather in there and I'm just can linger and not see a thousand things in my periphery to do because mentally I will engage in those a thousand things all around me. It's just the way my brain works. So it's helps me to get the test done, take care of it.
And then enter into the thing I really want, which is to be with you guys.
speaker-2 (1:00:24)
Yeah.
Yeah, I think my encouragement would just be like find one thing, start with one thing. Like obviously, at least in my case, it's taken me a long time to get to where I am in terms of like all these things I've maybe let slide. And so, since it's taking so long, kind of write that pendulum swing of like it might take a little bit to get back to a level playing field. And so be okay to take
one step forward versus just staying still. Like it might not be a sprint because you really don't have capacity to sprint right now. But just take one step. I know for me, that's been what you just shared, mom, like that discipline and the not battle in your brain over simple decisions. Mm-hmm. That's what I'm working through right now of like I've got laundry on my bed that I normally at the end of the night just shove off my bed and fold.
Maybe tomorrow, but normally the next time I have to do laundry. Yeah. And so just taking five minutes to fold it and put it away and then get in bed, like simple things so I'm not dodging it the rest of the week. It's mentally exhausting. Mm-hmm. And to just write have that self discipline and self control over my own fleshly desires to disregard it. ⁓ yeah, that's my step.
So now that like I'm preaching to myself.
speaker-1 (1:01:59)
Yeah. And I th as you guys are even talking, the thing that actually came to mind was like Tetris. Like when if you've ever played the game of Tetris, blocks are falling down from the top of the screen and you're trying to stack them in such a way that gives you the most margin before it hits the top, right? And there's like you your goal is really just to place one block at a time and like the
speaker-0 (1:01:59)
Yeah.
speaker-1 (1:02:26)
the more intentionally you place each individual block, the more margin you have, the more things clear off your plate, the more things that are dropping down have a place to land. Whereas you do like two or three blocks where you're like, I'm just gonna put it here. I'm just gonna put it here. I just wanna get it out of the way. I'm gonna put it to the edge. Suddenly they're so close to the top and it like tips you over the edge so much faster and suddenly it's game over, right?
speaker-0 (1:02:51)
And that panic that kinda comes like.
speaker-1 (1:02:53)
Right. They're like, shoot, shoot, shoot. I I don't know what other like there are more blocks always coming and I still need to place them, right? I feel like that's just life. There's still more decisions and there's still things that I need to do. And so I think right, just taking that approach of like I'm gonna place this block here because I know that this will give me a greater subtleness to be able to do my next step off of. I'm gonna go home and I'm gonna unload my dishwasher.
Not because I want to, but because I know that tomorrow night when I'm making dinner, I will be so relieved that I don't have to unload my dishwasher. And it will mean that I will actually put all those dishes into the dishwasher. Yeah. And just doing that one simple step that will take me a couple of minutes sets me up. And knowing some of those different things, even like to bring it all the way back to the high lows, like the dreading of work. Most mornings I wake up and for the first like
speaker-0 (1:03:36)
Sets you up.
speaker-1 (1:03:49)
twenty to thirty minutes that I'm awake, I'm trying to like mathematically piece out how much how how much time I can spend at home so I don't have to go to work. And I'm like, what if I just got up when I had to pee? And like actually found things in the morning to like look forward to and enjoy. Yeah. And allow and pray through it a little bit and ask the Lord to like meet me in a moment where I'm like, I don't want to do this thing. And rather than psyching myself out of it, I'm actually gonna choose to
press into this and I'm already awake, Lord. So like what would you have for me here in this moment? And trust that because he's good, he's gonna teach me something in the midst of that. And so, dear listener, as you've just been listening to us kind of walk through, I hope that you've been able to take away something, that you've been encouraged in some way. ⁓ and I feel like, I mean, it's often our conclusion, but start with one thing. Take that step forward. ⁓ I just hope that, you know
in a world of voices where there's always something to do better in. You know, there's always a new habit to break or a new habit to add or a new system to put in place. You know, we hope that you're taking these words not with the pressure that you must now do, but with the encouragement to say, like, there is grace for me to figure it out and take one s day at a time, one step at a time, and to learn how to build a life, you know, in the mundane and in the ordinary that
you know, you're Tetris and the pieces together today for a a day that you can delight in and in the Tetrising there can still be joy and delight. And so we hope that you're able to look around and see the fruit of where you've already come and also are able to look forward to the places that you want to cultivate. And so ⁓ yeah, we thank you for joining us and we look forward to seeing you next week. Or I'm actually looking forward to next week. We're gonna talk about it's been almost a year since we officially became a podcast and became a business.
So we're gonna take you into some of the behind the scenes of what that has really looked like for us. and so I'm excited. It'll be a little bit of like a it'll be a little bit of a tell it all. buckle up buttercup. Yeah, a little bit of a peek behind the curtain. So we're excited to have you join us then. Till next time you guys. Bye.
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