28. Class War and Counterinsurgency in Appalachia: The '84 Massey Coal Strike w/ Ashley Nguyen

29. Revenge of the WASP II: UFOs and that Old-Money Woo

Fritz, still worried about what Tucker Carlson and JD Vance have in store for the post-MAGA right, uncovers the old WASP spiritual foundations of the American mythology around UFOs/UAPs/Flying Saucers, etc.. From a Swedish Psychic Astronaut in the 18th century, through the upper-class salons of the (2nd?) Theosophical Society in the 19th, and the fashy UFO cults of the early-20th, UFO-ology's origins are all about woo-woo, Christian mysticism, fantasy 'science' fiction, and the old money of WASP elites of the past. Special thanks to the cast! Karl Marx played by Settembrini [https://www.patreon.com/posts/22a-chicago-1970-152058727?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link] of Zock Bock Radio [http://pesa-nexus.de/category/zock-bock-radio/] William Rathborne Greg played by Pádraig Ó Ruairc [https://www.patreon.com/posts/4-british-w-og-o-131057888?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link] of Burn Them Out!: A History of Fascism and the Far Right in Ireland [https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/burn-them-out-9781035915262/] Helena Blavatsky played by Leah [https://www.patreon.com/posts/as-above-so-one-146720675?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link] Reading: [check out the patreon page later for additional citations!] ◇ Barkun, Michael. A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America. 2nd ed., UC Press, 2013. ◇ -- Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. UNC Press, 1996. ◇ Madden, Deborah. The Religious Politics of Prophecy. History of European Ideas. Issue 24. Elsevier, 2008. ◇ Paley, Morton D. "A New Heaven is Begun": William Blake and Swedenborgianism. Blake/An Illustrated Quarterly, Volume 13, Issue 2. 1979. Other Links: ◇ Recommended video essays on Theosophy [https://youtu.be/gzews0N1Bw8?si=YhxIVAtfN9KgqVmO] and I AM Activity [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsKt4edO98w] by Weird Reads with Emily Louise ◇ Fritz and Setti talk Heinlein and Cambellian Sci-Fi on Zock Bock Radio episode 61, "America is a Harsh Mistress" [https://pesa-nexus.de/2025/01/17/episode-61-america-is-a-harsh-mistress-english/] Music: Intro Song: Crystal Cave by SNIFFAH [https://sniffah.bandcamp.com/album/solstice] (2025) Closing Song: The Buchanan Brothers - When You See Those Flying Saucers (1947) Also including music by SNIFFAH, Ramona, Koleso Nešťastia [https://kolesonestastia666.bandcamp.com/music], and pixabay.org [https://pixabay.org]. #Swedenborgism, #UFOs, #UAPs, #Tucker, #Vance, #Theosophy, #Spiritualism

28. Class War and Counterinsurgency in Appalachia: The '84 Massey Coal Strike w/ Ashley Nguyen

From 1984 to '85, both sides of the Tug Fork river on the West Virginia / Kentucky border were occupied by private security forces, green berets, mercenaries, and other muscle for the bosses to terrorize striking coal miners under the UMWA. Historian Ashley Nguyen joins TSBU to explain how the tactics of class warfare that beset the Massey strikers were part of the larger global counterinsurgency terror that defined American imperialism during the Cold War. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events. Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬ Instagram: thestatebetweenuspod [https://www.instagram.com/thestatebetweenuspod/] Email: thestatebetweenus@proton.me [thestatebetweenus@proton.me] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod [https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod]Armed and ready on the picket... trench? "A European hired as a security guard monitors video cameras used as part of a surveillance system at a coal mine in Sidney, Ky. " SoF 1986 "The more it hurt, the stronger I got...": Shot miner interviewed in Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986. Soldier of Fortune (SoF), Sept. 1986. *Ep includes an interview clip with Nomonde Ngubo of the National Union of Mineworkers of South Africa, featured in the documentary Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986. Reading: Burton, Orisanmi. Tip of the spear : black radicalism, prison repression, and the long Attica revolt. UCP, Oakland, 2023. Camp, Jordan T. Incarcerating the Crisis: Freedom Struggles and the Rise of the Neoliberal State. UCP, 2016. Schrader, Stuart. Badges Without Borders: How Global Counterinsurgency Transformed American Policing. UCP, 2019. Cold open song: "The Black Eternal Night" by Widows of the Night. Subversives [https://youtu.be/3oAR0MbJBMw?si=3vyYWr9hhUt-e64I], Electric Fields, 2026. Intro song: Title unknown, performer unknown. Clipped from Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986. Outro song: "The Tale of the Dragon", unknown performer. > Linked here [https://appalshoparchive.org/Detail/objects/12178] < Also featuring music from koleso neštastia [https://kolesonestastia666.bandcamp.com/music] and pixabay.com [https://pixabay.com/]

27. May Day, 1950: When the USSR Invaded Wisconsin w/ Nick Graf

Researcher Nick Graf joins The State Between Us to talk about the strangest May Day celebration the Midwestern United States ever had. In 1950, the American Legion organized a "high-effort LARP", transforming the small town of Mosinee, Wisconsin into the avant-garde of the "United Soviet States of America", complete with borscht, detention camps, and mock executions on "Red Square". *note: Nick points out that he said the editor's name was "Bill Schweinler" when in fact it was "Francis Schweinler". Stay tuned to Nick's YT page [http://www.youtube.com/@nick_giraffe] to catch his coming documentary when it drops! Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events. Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬ Instagram: thestatebetweenuspod [https://www.instagram.com/thestatebetweenuspod/] Email: thestatebetweenus@proton.me [thestatebetweenus@proton.me] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod [https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod]

26. Lore Dump: Robert Welch, Revilo P. Oliver, and Willis Carto vs. Buckley's New Right

As Tucker Carlson splits the Right into weirder and more racist directions, TSBU examines a precedent to this contemporary moment occurring in the 1950s and '60s. William F. Buckley and his National Review cultivated a complex... 'frenemyship'?... with the hyper-conspiratorial N.A.M.-leader Robert Welch and his John Birch Society and the cringe-inducing fascist nerd, the classicist Revilo P. Oliver. This web of allyship and conflict opened a space for a return of classic racist and antisemitic activism with the rise of Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby which directly created William Luther Pierce's infamous National Alliance, and the decades of neonazi horror that followed it. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events. Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬ Instagram: thestatebetweenuspod [https://www.instagram.com/thestatebetweenuspod/] Email: thestatebetweenus@proton.me [thestatebetweenus@proton.me] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod [https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod] Music: Intro and Outro by the Chad Mitchell Trio Also featuring music from koleso neštastia [https://kolesonestastia666.bandcamp.com/music], pixabay.com [https://pixabay.com/], archive.org [https://archive.org/], and fesliyanstudios.com [https://fesliyanstudios.com/]

25. Revenge of the WASP pt. 1: The Tucker Diaries

25. Revenge of the WASP pt. 1: The Tucker Diaries Fritz fears the rise of the post-Trump right, arguing that a fashy new take on the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant with some worrying and familiar characteristics is on the rise, and begins an investigation into the Revenge of the WASP with a look at Tucker Carlson, his notable rise on the MAGA right, his weirdo mystical racist beliefs, and how those beliefs tie him to a movement of WASP revanchists, including the Vice President, who suggest a very dark future on the horizon. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs [https://patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs] for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events. Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/thestatebetweenus.bsky.social]‬ Instagram: thestatebetweenuspod [https://www.instagram.com/thestatebetweenuspod/] Email: thestatebetweenus@proton.me [thestatebetweenus@proton.me] Photograph: Patrick T Fallon/AFP/Getty Images retrieved from theguardian.com Reading: *Barkun, Michael. Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. UNCP, Chapel Hill, 1996. *Gross, Michael. Flight of the WASP: The Rise, Fall, and Future of America's Original Ruling Class. Atlantic Monthly Press, 2023. *Schrag, Peter. The Decline of the WASP. Simon & Schuster, 1971. *Zengerle, Jason. Hated By All The Right People: Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling of the Conservative Mind. Crooked Media Reads, 2026. Music by koleso neštastia [https://kolesonestastia666.bandcamp.com/music] and Ramona as well as from pixabay.com [https://pixabay.com/] and fesliyanstudios.com [https://fesliyanstudios.com/]