The Hardest Step

Jesse Crosson, better known as @second_chancer [@second_chancer], regularly shares his experience in prison with more than 750,000 TikTok followers. While in prison, Jesse turned his life around and earned a degree in psychology, taught yoga, Spanish, and served as a mentor other inmates. Originally sentenced to 32 years, Jesse received a conditional pardon from Virginia's then-Governor Ralph Northam in 2021, after serving 19 years. Chris and Coss talk to Jesse about using social media as a force for change, and educating others about the incarcerated experience.

NOTE: This episode contains detailed descriptions of domestic violence In 1995, Kelly Savage-Rodriguez was planning to leave her abusive husband when he killed her 3-year-old son Justin. Kelly was wrongfully convicted for the death of her son and sentenced to life without parole. After serving 23 years behind bars, her sentence was commuted with the help of former California Gov. Jerry Brown. Today, she is the Life Without Parole Coordinator for the California Coalition for Women’s Prisoners. Chris and Moyo talk with Kelly about the power of grief, healing, and rebuilding.

Alexandra Bailey is the Senior Campaign Strategist for The Sentencing Project. Since 1986, the organization has worked to reduce imprisonment and criminalization of teens and adults by promoting racial, ethnic, economic, and gender justice. Alexandra’s work focuses on ending life without parole, capping maximum penalties at 20 years, and promoting “second look” provisions. Chris and Coss talk with Alexandra about why she was called to join the fight against mass incarceration and the privilege she has as an organizer. To learn more about The Sentencing Project visit sentencingproject.org [https://www.sentencingproject.org/]

Jeff Smith is a former state legislator and the author of “Mr. Smith Goes to Prison.” In 2004, Jeff ran for Congress, losing a close election but cementing himself as a rising star in Missouri politics. A few years later, while serving in the State Senate, he was convicted of conspiracy to obstruct justice, dating back to his previous congressional campaign. He was forced to resign and sentenced to federal prison, where he spent a year behind bars. Today, Jeff is the Executive Director of the Missouri Workforce Housing Association. Chris and Moyo sit down with him to talk about his unique position as a former legislator turned prison-reform advocate. To learn more about the Missouri Workforce Housing Association, visit moworkforcehousing.com [https://www.moworkforcehousing.com/] Preview for next week: Chris and Coss talk with Alexandra Bailey from the Sentencing Project about why she was called to join the fight against mass incarceration and the privilege she has as an organizer.

Jason Flom is a music executive, founding board member of the Innocence Project, and host of the Wrongful Conviction podcast. Formerly the chairman and CEO at Atlantic Records and responsible for launching stars including Katy Perry and Lorde, Jason found a passion for criminal justice reform after reading about Steven Lennon, a New York man sentenced to decades behind bars for a non-violent, first-offense cocaine possession charge. He has since become an “obsessive advocate” for first offenders and those wrongfully convicted, helping found or lead multiple social justice organizations. Chris and Coss talk with Jason about supporting those who have been incarcerated and discuss the power of storytelling to impact reform. Check out the Wrongful Conviction podcast here [https://lavaforgood.com/]. Preview for next week: Jeff Smith joins Chris and Coss to share his unique experience as a former legislator turned prison reform advocate.