Going Down with Ella Yurman

Newsslop: Alex Goldman

In today's episode of NEWSSLOP (recorded 4/19/26) Ella & Reid chat with journalist & podcaster Alex Goldman about the state of independent media.  support the show on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/goingdownshow⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatreon.com%2Fgoingdownshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400392682%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ft7sMh1Z5v4WcW58H1m8BhM31A6eckCoY7xdX2DOMTY%3D&reserved=0] follow us on: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman] Youtube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@goingdowntheshow⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2F%40goingdowntheshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400410814%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8Z%2FFHeGkkZ%2FzAlr2s464yXrh2MANFdLsOPMqGspcfDw%3D&reserved=0] Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/goingdowntv⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Figsh%3DMWtmMjV5dGkyOXhmMA%253D%253D%26utm_source%3Dqr&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400429536%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9Pl9dS2taQjdo1leWMfEgql3XIRj7ffgPqrawKCeHR8%3D&reserved=0] TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠tiktok.com/@goingdowntv⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiktok.com%2F%40goingdowntv%3F_r%3D1%26_t%3DZT-94WVYaOQ4Jp&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400451672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OD97caEzKs1hYXveC24k%2B8dJFZxUvt7BLx2gxKqtRsE%3D&reserved=0] Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠x.com/goingdowntv [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Fs%3D21&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400470905%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=G8ixj4xm6qNEjx7F1%2BMzaT6ZJnpDLKTzW5TS2hlKxRk%3D&reserved=0] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

Newsslop: del Shaphir

In today's episode of NEWSSLOP (recorded 3/15/26) Ella & Reid chat with Going Down Writer del Shaphir, about the new right, Katy Perry, and satellites falling from orbit.  support the show on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/goingdownshow⁠⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatreon.com%2Fgoingdownshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400392682%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ft7sMh1Z5v4WcW58H1m8BhM31A6eckCoY7xdX2DOMTY%3D&reserved=0] follow us on: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman⁠⁠⁠ [https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman] Youtube: ⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@goingdowntheshow⁠⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2F%40goingdowntheshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400410814%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8Z%2FFHeGkkZ%2FzAlr2s464yXrh2MANFdLsOPMqGspcfDw%3D&reserved=0] Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/goingdowntv⁠⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Figsh%3DMWtmMjV5dGkyOXhmMA%253D%253D%26utm_source%3Dqr&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400429536%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9Pl9dS2taQjdo1leWMfEgql3XIRj7ffgPqrawKCeHR8%3D&reserved=0] TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠tiktok.com/@goingdowntv⁠⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiktok.com%2F%40goingdowntv%3F_r%3D1%26_t%3DZT-94WVYaOQ4Jp&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400451672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OD97caEzKs1hYXveC24k%2B8dJFZxUvt7BLx2gxKqtRsE%3D&reserved=0] Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠x.com/goingdowntv [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Fs%3D21&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400470905%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=G8ixj4xm6qNEjx7F1%2BMzaT6ZJnpDLKTzW5TS2hlKxRk%3D&reserved=0] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

Palantir, SCOTUS Cases, Conversion Therapy, No Kings

In this episode, Ella checks in to see how her reporting team is handling news burnout, chats with Legal Correspondent Kate Sisk about Trump's tariffs being overturned, interviews organizer Ariel Friedlander about her work with the No Kings protests, and then takes a look at what Palantir is up to. support the show on Patreon: ⁠⁠patreon.com/goingdownshow⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatreon.com%2Fgoingdownshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400392682%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ft7sMh1Z5v4WcW58H1m8BhM31A6eckCoY7xdX2DOMTY%3D&reserved=0] follow us on: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman⁠⁠ [https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman] Youtube: ⁠⁠youtube.com/@goingdowntheshow⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2F%40goingdowntheshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400410814%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8Z%2FFHeGkkZ%2FzAlr2s464yXrh2MANFdLsOPMqGspcfDw%3D&reserved=0] Instagram: ⁠⁠instagram.com/goingdowntv⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Figsh%3DMWtmMjV5dGkyOXhmMA%253D%253D%26utm_source%3Dqr&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400429536%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9Pl9dS2taQjdo1leWMfEgql3XIRj7ffgPqrawKCeHR8%3D&reserved=0] TikTok: ⁠⁠tiktok.com/@goingdowntv⁠⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiktok.com%2F%40goingdowntv%3F_r%3D1%26_t%3DZT-94WVYaOQ4Jp&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400451672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OD97caEzKs1hYXveC24k%2B8dJFZxUvt7BLx2gxKqtRsE%3D&reserved=0] Twitter: ⁠⁠x.com/goingdowntv [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Fs%3D21&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400470905%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=G8ixj4xm6qNEjx7F1%2BMzaT6ZJnpDLKTzW5TS2hlKxRk%3D&reserved=0] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

Newsslop: Brandon Follick

In today's episode of NEWSSLOP (recorded 3/15/26), Ella & Reid chat with Going Down Writer Brandon Follick about The Pope, Zendaya, and Jake Shane. support the show on Patreon: ⁠patreon.com/goingdownshow⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatreon.com%2Fgoingdownshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400392682%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ft7sMh1Z5v4WcW58H1m8BhM31A6eckCoY7xdX2DOMTY%3D&reserved=0] follow us on: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman⁠ [https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman] Youtube: ⁠youtube.com/@goingdowntheshow⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2F%40goingdowntheshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400410814%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8Z%2FFHeGkkZ%2FzAlr2s464yXrh2MANFdLsOPMqGspcfDw%3D&reserved=0] Instagram: ⁠instagram.com/goingdowntv⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Figsh%3DMWtmMjV5dGkyOXhmMA%253D%253D%26utm_source%3Dqr&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400429536%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9Pl9dS2taQjdo1leWMfEgql3XIRj7ffgPqrawKCeHR8%3D&reserved=0] TikTok: ⁠tiktok.com/@goingdowntv⁠ [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiktok.com%2F%40goingdowntv%3F_r%3D1%26_t%3DZT-94WVYaOQ4Jp&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400451672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OD97caEzKs1hYXveC24k%2B8dJFZxUvt7BLx2gxKqtRsE%3D&reserved=0] Twitter: ⁠x.com/goingdowntv [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Fs%3D21&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400470905%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=G8ixj4xm6qNEjx7F1%2BMzaT6ZJnpDLKTzW5TS2hlKxRk%3D&reserved=0] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]

Polymarket, 2016 Nostalgia, Slacktivism, Sam Adler-Bell

In this episode, Ella talks to financial correspondent Justin Catchens, about prediction markets like Polymarket and Kalshi, and youth correspondent Camden Garcia reports on nostalgia trends. Ella chats with writer and podcaster Sam Adler-Bell, and then takes a look at the efficacy of online activism. support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/goingdownshow [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatreon.com%2Fgoingdownshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400392682%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ft7sMh1Z5v4WcW58H1m8BhM31A6eckCoY7xdX2DOMTY%3D&reserved=0] follow us on: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman [https://bit.ly/GoingDownwithEllaYurman] Youtube: youtube.com/@goingdowntheshow [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2F%40goingdowntheshow&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400410814%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8Z%2FFHeGkkZ%2FzAlr2s464yXrh2MANFdLsOPMqGspcfDw%3D&reserved=0] Instagram: instagram.com/goingdowntv [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Figsh%3DMWtmMjV5dGkyOXhmMA%253D%253D%26utm_source%3Dqr&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400429536%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9Pl9dS2taQjdo1leWMfEgql3XIRj7ffgPqrawKCeHR8%3D&reserved=0] TikTok: tiktok.com/@goingdowntv [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiktok.com%2F%40goingdowntv%3F_r%3D1%26_t%3DZT-94WVYaOQ4Jp&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400451672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OD97caEzKs1hYXveC24k%2B8dJFZxUvt7BLx2gxKqtRsE%3D&reserved=0] Twitter: x.com/goingdowntv [https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fgoingdowntv%3Fs%3D21&data=05%7C02%7Ccamille.khalili%40studio71us.com%7Cbfd6481f65574fc26f8408de8ec5cc96%7C42f71e00fe2746549915ab529795f091%7C0%7C0%7C639105177400470905%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=G8ixj4xm6qNEjx7F1%2BMzaT6ZJnpDLKTzW5TS2hlKxRk%3D&reserved=0] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices [https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices]