
Not Only, But Also
Podcast by Renee Ronika Bhatti-Klug, Nicole Cottrell
Not Only, But Also examines the beauty and tension of the in-between spaces many of us occupy. Each episode, your hosts Renee and Nicole discuss living and being free in the spaces of both/and. Together, Renee and Nicole are rabble-rousers but also peacekeepers, happy wives yet also feminists, strong yet gentle, mothers but also business owners, faithful Christ-followers but staunchly anti-religion-and that's just the beginning. Quite simply, they are not only what others might assume, but also what they don't. They happily exist in the not only, but also.
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It’s a NOBA first! In part two of a two-part series, Renee and Nicole welcome special guests Gregory and Jonathan—their husbands. In a fun, but also serious, conversation, the couples share how they’ve loved and fought their way through 15-plus years of marriage. They also realize how much each other is a lot like the person they married. Intro music “Bhangra, but also jazz” and outro by Gregory Kyle Klug https://gregorykyle.com/ [https://gregorykyle.com/]

It’s a NOBA first! In part one of a two-part series, Renee and Nicole welcome special guests Gregory and Jonathan—their husbands. In a fun, but also serious, conversation, the couples share how they’ve loved and fought their way through 15-plus years of marriage. They also realize how much each other is a lot like the person they married. Intro music “Bhangra, but also jazz” and outro by Gregory Kyle Klug https://gregorykyle.com/ [https://gregorykyle.com/]

In part 2 of Friends, but also Sisters, Renee and Nicole continue their discussion on all things friendship, including red flags and green flags in relationships, as well as more of their own friendship story. With candor, vulnerability, and humor they share how to engage your friends, fight for your friendships, and be the best BFF ever. Intro music “Bhangra, but also jazz” and outro by Gregory Kyle Klug https://gregorykyle.com/ [https://gregorykyle.com/]

Why is making and keeping friends so difficult? What constitutes a healthy friendship? What are friendship red flags? In this episode, part 1 of 2, Renee and Nicole tackle these questions and more from friends, besties, frenemies, and the ever-evasive “sister” relationship. With candor, vulnerability, and humor they share their own friendship story, as well while also answering your submitted questions about BFF’s. Mentioned in this episode: - The 5Ls by Shawn Banzhaf - Nedra Tawwab Intro music “Bhangra, but also jazz” and outro by Gregory Kyle Klug https://gregorykyle.com/ [https://gregorykyle.com/]

In conclusion of their 2-part discussion on whiteness and colorism, Renee and Nicole continue to share personal and cultural stories around this topic to reveal how, too often, cultural standards of “beauty” impact the most vulnerable so those in power can remain in power. Mentioned in this episode: - Woke Racism by John McWhorter Intro music “Bhangra, but also jazz” and outro by Gregory Kyle Klug https://gregorykyle.com/ [https://gregorykyle.com/]
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