The Lunch Hour with Washington Signal

Ep. 189 - Aluminum, China, & America’s Supply Chain Future w/Anthony Musto & Ben Carlson

How can a recycled soda can become a national security issue? On this episode of the Washington Signal's Lunch Hour Podcast, host Andrew Langer is joined by Anthony Musto, North American Strategy & Growth Lead at Constellium, and Ben Carlson, Director of the Center for Strategic Industrial Materials at SAFE, for a discussion on aluminum manufacturing, recycling, supply chains, and the growing competition between the United States and China. The conversation explores why aluminum remains one of the most important materials in the modern economy and how recycling infrastructure has become increasingly tied to economic security, energy policy, manufacturing competitiveness, and national defense. Major topics include: • Why aluminum is critical to transportation, aerospace, energy, and defense • The economic and energy benefits of aluminum recycling • America’s growing dependence on imported aluminum inputs • Chinese industrial policy and global aluminum markets • Why millions of tons of aluminum scrap leave the U.S. each year • Supply chain resilience, national security, and critical materials • Recycling infrastructure and sorting technology challenges • The role of permitting reform and industrial policy • Building a stronger domestic manufacturing base The discussion also examines how China has expanded its aluminum production and recycling capacity, why U.S. manufacturers are concerned about scrap exports, and what policymakers can do to strengthen domestic supply chains. Throughout the episode, both guests argue that aluminum recycling should be viewed not simply as an environmental issue, but as an economic and strategic opportunity that can support American manufacturing, reduce energy consumption, and improve supply chain security. 00:00 — Intro + Meet Anthony Musto and Ben Carlson 01:39 — What Constellium does 02:43 — SAFE and strategic industrial materials 03:28 — Why aluminum matters to the modern economy 05:14 — The power of aluminum recycling 06:18 — Manufacturing jobs and economic impact 07:39 — The aluminum scrap export problem 10:00 — AI, energy demand, and supply chain security 11:58 — Why recycling infrastructure matters 16:30 — Permitting reform and recycling facilities 20:21 — Aluminum, energy use, and facility footprints 23:23 — Policy solutions and domestic investment 26:32 — Sorting technology and recycling innovation 30:11 — China’s influence on aluminum markets 33:15 — What policymakers should do next 35:14 — Outside interests and personal stories 37:31 — Closing thoughts Follow us on social media X: @TheLunchHourPod Instagram: the_lunchhour_pod LinkedIn: Lunch Hour Podcast TikTok: lunchhourpod   Find more at Washington Signal Your source for policy, national security, and investigative journalism. https://washingtonsignal.com/

Ep. 188 - Tariffs, Food Security & the Future of American Manufacturing w/Scott Breen

How does a tariff on steel end up affecting the price of canned food at the grocery store? On this episode of the Federal Newswire Lunch Hour Podcast, host Andrew Langer sits down with Scott Breen, President of the Can Manufacturers Institute (CMI), to discuss the intersection of trade policy, food security, manufacturing, and consumer prices. Breen explains how steel tariffs are impacting the American food can supply chain, why domestic tinplate steel production has declined dramatically over the past decade, and what that means for farmers, manufacturers, retailers, and consumers. The conversation explores a fundamental policy question: how can the United States strengthen domestic manufacturing while avoiding unintended consequences that increase costs for American families? Major topics include: • The role canned food plays in food security and emergency preparedness • Why U.S. tinplate steel production has fallen from 12 lines to 3 • How steel tariffs affect food prices at the grocery store • Competition from imported canned food products • Buy American policies and country-of-origin labeling • SNAP benefits, public procurement, and domestic agriculture • Supply chain resilience and national security concerns • Recycling, sustainability, and the future of metal packaging The discussion also examines bipartisan legislation designed to improve country-of-origin labeling and proposals aimed at ensuring federal food purchases better support American farmers and manufacturers. Throughout the episode, Breen argues that strengthening domestic manufacturing requires a balanced approach—one that supports upstream steel production while also protecting downstream industries that employ thousands of American workers. 00:00 — Intro + Scott Breen joins 01:25 — What the Can Manufacturers Institute does 02:42 — Food security and the importance of canned goods 04:08 — Steel tariffs and rising grocery prices 05:11 — Why domestic tinplate production declined 09:19 — Manufacturing jobs and downstream impacts 10:58 — Imported canned foods and competitive disadvantages 14:48 — American farmers and the food supply chain 17:14 — SNAP benefits and Buy American policies 20:08 — The American CANS Act explained 21:34 — Food security, sustainability, and preparedness 27:05 — What consumers and lawmakers can do 29:18 — Scott Breen’s interests outside work 30:06 — Where to learn more about CMI 31:05 — Closing Follow us on social media X: @TheLunchHourPod Instagram: the_lunchhour_pod LinkedIn: Lunch Hour Podcast TikTok: lunchhourpod   Find more at Washington Signal Your source for policy, national security, and investigative journalism. https://washingtonsignal.com/

Ep. 187 - Recycling, Waste Policy & Remaking in America w/Heidi Sanborn

How can America reduce waste, strengthen domestic manufacturing, and rebuild its recycling infrastructure at the same time? On this episode of the Federal Newswire Lunch Hour Podcast, host Andrew Langer sits down with Heidi Sanborn, founding director and CEO of the National Stewardship Action Council (NSAC) and the National Stewardship Action Foundation. Sanborn discusses the growing crisis facing America’s recycling and waste management systems, why domestic recycling infrastructure is collapsing, and how short-term economic thinking has made the United States increasingly dependent on China for recycled materials and manufacturing inputs. The conversation explores how environmental stewardship, economic resilience, permitting reform, and supply chain security increasingly overlap — and why policies designed to promote sustainability can sometimes unintentionally undermine it. Major topics include: • Why waste and pollution are closely connected • The collapse of America’s recycling infrastructure • China’s influence over global recycled material markets • The Remade in America Pledge • Trade policy, tariffs, and domestic manufacturing • Recycling, permitting reform, and regulatory barriers • Mechanical vs. chemical recycling systems • Hazardous waste disposal and marine flare safety • Producer responsibility and product stewardship laws • How AI and technology are changing recycling operations Sanborn also explains how the National Stewardship Action Council works with states across the country to create policies focused on producer responsibility, safer waste management systems, and stronger domestic recycling markets. The discussion closes with a broader conversation about balancing environmental goals, affordability, regulation, and long-term economic sustainability. 00:00 — Intro + Heidi Sanborn joins the show 01:25 — How Heidi got started in recycling 02:10 — Why waste equals inefficiency 05:18 — Recycling policy and regulatory challenges 08:14 — Why companies buy recycled materials from China 11:19 — Recycling, trade policy, and American manufacturing 16:28 — The Remade in America Pledge 20:08 — Chemical recycling vs. mechanical recycling 22:26 — Permitting reform and environmental policy 27:17 — Marine flare disposal challenges 30:04 — What the National Stewardship Action Council does 32:29 — Life in Sacramento and Lake Tahoe 33:14 — Where to follow NSAC and support the mission Follow us on social media X: @TheLunchHourPod Instagram: the_lunchhour_pod LinkedIn: Lunch Hour Podcast TikTok: lunchhourpod   Find more at Washington Signal Your source for policy, national security, and investigative journalism. https://washingtonsignal.com/

Ep. 186 - Faith, Persecution & the Story Behind Faith Under Siege w/Sarah Makin

Why does religion remain at the center of so many global conflicts — and why do policymakers often ignore it? On this episode of the Federal Newswire Lunch Hour Podcast, host Andrew Langer is joined by Sarah Makin, religious freedom advocate and producer of Faith Under Siege, to explore the role of faith in global conflict, diplomacy, and human rights. Drawing on her experience in government and international advocacy, Makin argues that one of the biggest blind spots in U.S. foreign policy is a failure to understand religion as a core driver of identity, motivation, and conflict. A major theme of the conversation is how authoritarian regimes view faith as a threat — because it represents a source of authority beyond the state. The discussion covers: • Why religion plays a central role in global conflicts • How U.S. diplomacy often misunderstands religious dynamics • Why authoritarian regimes fear people of faith • Religious persecution in China (Uyghurs, Christians, others) • The crisis in Nigeria and the role of extremist ideology • Why religious persecution is a “canary in the coal mine” for genocide • Lessons from Iraq and the Yazidi genocide • The role of faith-based organizations in humanitarian work • Why smaller NGOs often outperform large aid institutions • The importance of religious literacy in foreign policy The conversation also takes a deep look at the war in Ukraine — particularly the often-overlooked issue of religious persecution. Additional topics include: • Russia’s use of the Orthodox Church as a political tool • The myth of Ukrainian religious persecution • Documented attacks on churches, clergy, and faith communities • The targeting of evangelical, Catholic, Jewish, and Orthodox groups • The broader role of faith in Ukrainian society Makin also discusses her film project, Faith Under Siege, a documentary series highlighting the persecution of religious communities in Ukraine under Russian occupation. The project includes both a full-length film and shorter features focused on specific faith groups and stories. The episode closes with a broader reflection: ignoring religion in policy discussions doesn’t eliminate its influence — it simply makes decision-makers less equipped to understand the world. 00:00 — Intro + Sarah Makin joins 01:06 — Why religion drives global conflict 03:13 — U.S. foreign policy blind spots on faith 05:42 — Authoritarian regimes vs people of faith 07:19 — Religious persecution in China and beyond 10:01 — Nigeria crisis and extremist ideology 12:40 — “Canary in the coal mine” for genocide 13:58 — Iraq, Yazidis, and humanitarian work 16:08 — Faith-based NGOs vs large aid systems 23:50 — Ukraine: churches, war, and persecution 26:18 — Russia, the Orthodox Church, and propaganda 33:58 — Faith Under Siege documentary 37:49 — Personal interests + closing Follow us on social media X: @TheLunchHourPod Instagram: the_lunchhour_pod LinkedIn: Lunch Hour Podcast TikTok: lunchhourpod   Find more at Washington Signal Your source for policy, national security, and investigative journalism. https://washingtonsignal.com/

Ep. 185 - AI Regulation, Free Markets & the Guard Act Debate w/Zach Lilly

As artificial intelligence rapidly evolves, so does the debate over how — and whether — it should be regulated. On this episode of the Federal Newswire Lunch Hour Podcast, host Andrew Langer is joined by Zach Lilly, Director of Government Affairs at NetChoice, to break down the growing policy battle over AI, free markets, and government oversight. Lilly explains why public fear around AI has surged in recent years — driven in part by decades of pop culture narratives and amplified by ongoing debates over social media and technology policy. He argues that much of today’s AI conversation didn’t start fresh, but instead picked up where earlier tech debates left off. A major focus of the episode is the challenge of regulating a rapidly evolving technology. Lilly warns that traditional legislative approaches struggle to keep pace with AI’s speed of innovation — where tools and capabilities can change week to week. The discussion also covers: • Why AI debates are shaped by pop culture and public perception • The difference between “permissionless innovation” and the precautionary principle • Why free market voices have become less dominant in tech policy debates • How state-level AI regulations are being crafted and marketed • Why some AI laws are framed as “child safety” measures • The risks of one-size-fits-all regulatory approaches • How AI is already improving fields like healthcare and diagnostics • Why rapid innovation makes static regulation difficult • The role of federal vs state governments in AI policy A key part of the conversation focuses on the Guard Act, a proposed federal bill that Lilly describes as a sweeping age verification system disguised as chatbot regulation. He explains how such policies could effectively require identity verification across large portions of the internet, raising concerns about privacy, surveillance, and constitutional rights. Additional topics include: • How AI integration across platforms could expand data collection requirements • The risk of treating all users as potential bad actors • Why government-led AI design could slow innovation • The balance between safety, privacy, and technological progress • Concerns about AI being used as a regulatory enforcement tool • The importance of intellectual and ideological consistency in policymaking The episode also highlights a broader philosophical divide: whether emerging technologies should be allowed to develop freely — with limited intervention — or shaped early through government regulation. At its core, the conversation makes the case that how the U.S. approaches AI policy now will have long-term consequences for innovation, economic growth, and individual liberty. 00:00 — Intro + Zach Lilly joins the podcast 00:54 — Why people are suddenly afraid of AI 02:27 — Pop culture and the fear of AI 04:16 — AI vs social media policy debates 05:02 — Why regulating AI is uniquely difficult 06:34 — Rapid innovation and legislative challenges 07:25 — Permissionless innovation vs precautionary principle 08:03 — Why free market voices are quieter today 10:01 — Public perception and political messaging 11:20 — AI in music, creativity, and real-world use 14:03 — Translation tools and everyday AI benefits 14:45 — State-level AI regulation trends 15:10 — How AI laws are framed politically 16:17 — Federal vs state regulatory approaches 17:06 — Colorado AI law controversy 18:36 — Government control vs private innovation 20:16 — Using AI to reduce regulatory burdens 22:22 — AI as a government enforcement tool 23:08 — Why regulation should constrain government use 24:04 — The Guard Act explained 25:01 — Age verification and data collection concerns 26:24 — AI integration across the internet 27:34 — Privacy risks and identity verification 28:03 — Government vs individual choice 29:35 — “Empowering parents” vs real control 30:23 — Intellectual consistency in policymaking 32:07 — NetChoice legal strategy and court wins 33:09 — Where the Guard Act stands today 34:20 — Federal framework concerns 35:36 — Outside interests: gaming, travel, and hobbies 39:08 — Closing Follow us on social media X: @TheLunchHourPod Instagram: the_lunchhour_pod LinkedIn: Lunch Hour Podcast TikTok: lunchhourpod   Find more at Washington Signal Your source for policy, national security, and investigative journalism. https://washingtonsignal.com/