Exclusion and Belonging in Healthcare Leadership with Natalie Holder | Episode 116
Why do well-meaning healthcare leaders unintentionally create exclusionary workplaces? Employment lawyer Natalie Holder, Esq., SPHR unpacks the 10 hidden indicators of a broken workplace culture — from informal mentoring gaps to bullying and dual identity — and reveals how subtle bias quietly erodes belonging, engagement, and patient care.
Chapters and Time-stamps:
01:32 Meet Natalie Holder
03:07 From Journalism to Law
06:48 Intent vs Impact in Care
08:37 A Sepsis Wake Up Call
12:49 Culture Shapes Patient Care
14:31 Coaching as Culture Shift
16:50 Inside the Book Exclusion
19:57 In Groups and Out Groups
21:19 Broken Culture Indicators
23:30 Bullying and Dual Identity
30:49 Accommodations and Disability
32:28 How Leaders Start Changing
33:05 Data Driven Self Awareness
38:47 Work With Natalie Closing
👤 Guest Details
Natalie Holder, Esq., SPHR
- Founder & President, Quest Employment Initiatives
- Employment lawyer specializing in workplace culture, discrimination litigation, and DEI strategy across healthcare systems, federal agencies, and law firms.
- Education: NYU (Communications), Tulane Law School
- Former roles: HR, legal firms, NYC Mayor's Office
- Author: Exclusion: Strategies for Increasing Diversity in Recruitment, Retention, and Promotion
🌐 natalieholderspeaks.com [http://natalieholderspeaks.com]
📚 References from the Episode
Book: Exclusion by Natalie Holder — top 10 indicators of a broken workplace culture (informal mentoring, bullying, dual identity, isolation, inability to recover from mistakes, insensitivity/civil discourse, and more)
Yale Smilow Cancer Center — Healthcare disparities conference founded by Natalie Holder, New Haven, CT
Concept: In-group vs. Out-group dynamics in workplace culture
Reasonable Accommodation — ADA-related workplace case example (diabetic nurse)
Learn more about Giving & Receiving Feedback in Healthcare [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggsutdy4-3o]
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