True Bill Talk

DA Jared Williams on Youth, Justice and Common Sense Prosecution

District Attorney Jared Williams (Augusta, Georgia) used to spend his Christmas mornings in the local Youth Detention Center. It wasn't because Jared got into trouble - instead, his parents would bring him to the Center to show him the experience of kids who didn't have the advantages he had growing up, and to make sure those children didn't spend the holidays alone. To this day, the perspective Jared developed through those early experiences continues to shape his approach to criminal justice. As his community's top prosecutor, Jared has more opportunities than ever to see how early interventions and investments in the lives of youth can help prevent them from becoming involved in the justice system. As Jared explains, giving children access to more resources, especially if they have an incarcerated family member, isn't a "reform" tactic as much as it's a cost-effective and common sense way to minimize harm in his community. Jared's interest in the lives of Augusta's youth is only one of the topics we covered in this wide-ranging interview. Shortly after his election in 2020 - as the first black person ever, and the first Democrat in many years to win his seat - Georgia's state legislature carved out a portion of his district so that a more conservative prosecutor could represent it. As Jared points out, that type of gerrymandering cuts both ways: state lawmakers disenfranchised thousands of his supporters while also stripping some of his opponents of any say over his policies. This was one of the many unexpected insights from our conversation. Ultimately, our discussion was about values: where they come from and how they show up later in life, especially in a job like Jared's, where the stakes are high.

Nelson Bunn on Prosecution & Politics

In this episode, we're doing something different. I'm speaking with an individual whose job is to hold a national perspective on criminal justice issues: Nelson Bunn, Executive Director of the National District Attorneys Association, whose mission is to be the "voice of America's prosecutors" and provide training to local prosecutors. I wanted to interview Nelson because the NDAA influences the policies of thousands of prosecutors across the country. And the wide range of views among prosecutors on how to use their power and discretion makes Nelson's job immensely complicated. In this episode, Nelson takes us behind the scenes on how that works.

Federal Immunity from Local Prosecution

In the last few weeks, I've been hearing questions from prosecutors like when are federal agents immune from state prosecution? Will these cases be tried in federal or state court? What cases should I be aware of as a starting point if this becomes relevant in my community? To answer these questions, I interviewed Professor Nadia Banteka of Florida State University College of Law on True Bill Talk. She's an expert on constitutional criminal procedure and criminal law, and takes us on a deep dive into this complicated area of law. This short episode will give you a solid understanding about federal immunity from local prosecution with an incredibly knowledgeable legal expert.

John Chisholm on Investigating Federal Agents

Over the past few weeks, two people were killed by federal law enforcement agents in Minneapolis during immigration enforcement actions directed by the Trump White House. In this conversation, we don't delve into immigration policy or whether the shootings are legally justified. Instead, we focus on why and how local prosecutors should investigate allegations of misconduct by federal agents. Local investigations are essential for creating an independent, public record — one that ensures transparency and maintains community trust. And John Chisholm is the perfect guest for this topic: as the former Milwaukee DA, he oversaw investigations that resulted in both pursuing and declining charges against police, earning criticism from both sides. Drawing on 18 years in office, John explains his approach to police-involved fatalities, how federal–local cooperation has traditionally worked, what's shifted in Minneapolis, and practical advice for prosecutors addressing federal misconduct today.

DA Dalia Racine on Prosecution Through a Survivor's Lens

DA Dalia Racine of Douglas County, GA is unique in her willingness to be extremely candid about everything from her personal background to what she has learned about crime and humanity from her time as a prosecutor. As you'll hear in this episode, Dalia's career has been shaped by her own experience as a survivor of child sex abuse. But what she went through as a child has made her approach to sex crimes cases much more nuanced than you might expect. The road to Dalia's current position was exceptionally challenging for a number of political reasons – all of which she discusses in this episode. And her victory in 2020 marked the first time a woman of color won that office in its history. This episode explores how one prosecutor's tenacity, humility, and deep capacity for empathy can shape their approach to the job.