Between the River and the Sea

A Conversation with Ilan Goldenberg on Gaza, Anti-Zionism, and J Street

Join Avi as he interviews Ilan Goldenberg, J Street's Chief Policy Officer. They discuss the current state of the ceasefire in Gaza, the rising prominence of the anti-Zionist left, and J Street's tagline. If you enjoyed this conversation, be sure to follow Ilan's Substack: https://ilangoldenberg.substack.com

The West Bankification of Gaza

Join Avi as he discusses the ceasefire in Gaza, and the potential for a future in which Israel retains control over the "yellow-zone," which would create a 2 state solution in Gaza resembling the West Bank. He also discusses Zohran Mamdani's mayoral victory, the leaked video from Sde Teiman Prison, and the state of Israeli free speech. Sources: * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-11-10/ty-article/.premium/court-blocks-police-from-hacking-phone-of-anti-government-protester-who-filmed-arrests/0000019a-6cd5-d66b-adba-fed775180000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-11-10/ty-article/.premium/court-blocks-police-from-hacking-phone-of-anti-government-protester-who-filmed-arrests/0000019a-6cd5-d66b-adba-fed775180000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-11-10/ty-article/.premium/israel-is-no-longer-a-free-society-according-to-netanyahu-confidante-ron-dermer/0000019a-6ef1-dece-a1fe-7ff5e0d20000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-11-10/ty-article/.premium/israel-is-no-longer-a-free-society-according-to-netanyahu-confidante-ron-dermer/0000019a-6ef1-dece-a1fe-7ff5e0d20000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2024-08-22/ty-article/.premium/idf-prosecutor-sde-teiman-soldiers-beat-electrified-sodomized-gaza-detainee/00000191-796d-de08-a3f9-796f17e00000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2024-08-22/ty-article/.premium/idf-prosecutor-sde-teiman-soldiers-beat-electrified-sodomized-gaza-detainee/00000191-796d-de08-a3f9-796f17e00000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/judge-proposes-5-soldiers-accused-of-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman-enter-mediation/00000197-e49f-d615-ab9f-ed9f44680000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/judge-proposes-5-soldiers-accused-of-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman-enter-mediation/00000197-e49f-d615-ab9f-ed9f44680000] * https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko] * https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/israel-arrests-military-lawyer-accused-of-leaking-video-showing-alleged-abuse-of-detainee [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/israel-arrests-military-lawyer-accused-of-leaking-video-showing-alleged-abuse-of-detainee] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-23/ty-article/.premium/why-jared-kushners-vision-for-post-war-gaza-is-so-dangerous/0000019a-1169-dfc6-a3bf-f16d85d20000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-23/ty-article/.premium/why-jared-kushners-vision-for-post-war-gaza-is-so-dangerous/0000019a-1169-dfc6-a3bf-f16d85d20000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-23/ty-article/.premium/why-jared-kushners-vision-for-post-war-gaza-is-so-dangerous/0000019a-1169-dfc6-a3bf-f16d85d20000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-23/ty-article/.premium/why-jared-kushners-vision-for-post-war-gaza-is-so-dangerous/0000019a-1169-dfc6-a3bf-f16d85d20000] * https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/10/israeli-drone-strike-kills-two-in-gaza-as-ceasefire-violations-mount [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/10/israeli-drone-strike-kills-two-in-gaza-as-ceasefire-violations-mount] * https://jewishcurrents.org/mamdani-created-a-left-liberal-coalition-on-israel-palestine [https://jewishcurrents.org/mamdani-created-a-left-liberal-coalition-on-israel-palestine] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-11-11/ty-article-live/syrian-president-wont-rule-out-joining-abraham-accords/0000019a-70c6-dece-a1fe-75e728ea0000?liveBlogItemId=1062162706#1062162706 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-11-11/ty-article-live/syrian-president-wont-rule-out-joining-abraham-accords/0000019a-70c6-dece-a1fe-75e728ea0000?liveBlogItemId=1062162706#1062162706]

The Fragility of the Ceasefire

Join Avi as he discusses what's been a chaotic last couple of weeks regarding the ceasefire in Gaza. He discusses the numerous violations to the ceasefire, and what has yet to be negotiated for Phase 2 of the deal to finally be implemented. Finally, he discusses the worsening situation in the West Bank, including pogroms orchestrated by settlers, and two pieces of legislation entrenching Israeli control. Sources: * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/west-bank/2025-10-26/ty-article/.premium/trumps-administration-opposes-west-bank-annexation-in-name-yet-enables-it-in-practice/0000019a-1ff3-d2fc-a79a-9ff7dceb0000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/west-bank/2025-10-26/ty-article/.premium/trumps-administration-opposes-west-bank-annexation-in-name-yet-enables-it-in-practice/0000019a-1ff3-d2fc-a79a-9ff7dceb0000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-24/ty-article/report-white-house-frustrated-with-israel-over-gaza-strikes-west-bank-annexation-vote/0000019a-14a6-d2fc-a79a-9ef62b950000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-24/ty-article/report-white-house-frustrated-with-israel-over-gaza-strikes-west-bank-annexation-vote/0000019a-14a6-d2fc-a79a-9ef62b950000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-22/ty-article/.premium/knesset-advances-far-right-west-bank-annexation-bill-as-jd-vance-visits-israel/0000019a-0be4-d2fc-a79a-9ff68c200000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-22/ty-article/.premium/knesset-advances-far-right-west-bank-annexation-bill-as-jd-vance-visits-israel/0000019a-0be4-d2fc-a79a-9ff68c200000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2024-03-01/ty-article/.premium/bedouin-families-face-uncertain-future-after-israel-expropriates-land-near-maaleh-adumim/0000018d-f6a1-d1c2-af9f-ffa57dcf0000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2024-03-01/ty-article/.premium/bedouin-families-face-uncertain-future-after-israel-expropriates-land-near-maaleh-adumim/0000018d-f6a1-d1c2-af9f-ffa57dcf0000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/west-bank/2025-10-27/ty-article/.premium/as-jewish-nationalist-crime-rates-surge-in-the-west-bank-police-investigations-drop/0000019a-250e-dac3-adbb-ff0fc9980000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/west-bank/2025-10-27/ty-article/.premium/as-jewish-nationalist-crime-rates-surge-in-the-west-bank-police-investigations-drop/0000019a-250e-dac3-adbb-ff0fc9980000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/middle-east-news/2025-10-27/ty-article/report-jordans-king-warns-gazas-intl-forces-must-peacekeep-not-enforce-peace/0000019a-24b4-dd96-af9b-3cbd0dd10000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/middle-east-news/2025-10-27/ty-article/report-jordans-king-warns-gazas-intl-forces-must-peacekeep-not-enforce-peace/0000019a-24b4-dd96-af9b-3cbd0dd10000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-19/ty-article/.premium/idf-strikes-in-gazas-rafah-after-armed-militants-attack-israeli-forces/00000199-fbab-dfc6-a3bf-fbaf60b30000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-19/ty-article/.premium/idf-strikes-in-gazas-rafah-after-armed-militants-attack-israeli-forces/00000199-fbab-dfc6-a3bf-fbaf60b30000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-27/ty-article/.premium/hamas-tells-mediators-it-is-working-to-recover-seven-to-nine-hostage-bodies/0000019a-2630-d4d3-a3fa-6f75e9f50000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-27/ty-article/.premium/hamas-tells-mediators-it-is-working-to-recover-seven-to-nine-hostage-bodies/0000019a-2630-d4d3-a3fa-6f75e9f50000] * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-search-israel-hostages-bodies-egypt/ [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-search-israel-hostages-bodies-egypt/] * https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/28/israel-says-return-of-misidentified-body-breaches-gaza-deal-mulls-response [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/28/israel-says-return-of-misidentified-body-breaches-gaza-deal-mulls-response] * https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-know-location-of-9-out-of-13-deceased-hostages-still-held-in-gaza/ [https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-know-location-of-9-out-of-13-deceased-hostages-still-held-in-gaza/]

Can the Ceasefire Hold?

Join Avi as he discusses the ceasefire in Gaza, the release of the Israeli hostages as well as the Palestinian prisoners being held without trial. He breaks down the state of ceasefire negotiations, whether or not the ceasefire is likely to break down, and how much credit to give Trump for achieving it. Sources: * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-15/ty-article-live/health-ministry-four-hostages-bodies-arrive-at-forensic-institute-for-identification/00000199-e5dc-da09-a1bb-f7fe7a8d0005?liveBlogItemId=441964257#441964257 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-15/ty-article-live/health-ministry-four-hostages-bodies-arrive-at-forensic-institute-for-identification/00000199-e5dc-da09-a1bb-f7fe7a8d0005?liveBlogItemId=441964257#441964257] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-15/ty-article/.premium/while-trump-shapes-the-mideast-future-israel-stays-on-the-sidelines-avoiding-hard-truths/00000199-e713-d54a-abfb-f7d3df1b0000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-15/ty-article/.premium/while-trump-shapes-the-mideast-future-israel-stays-on-the-sidelines-avoiding-hard-truths/00000199-e713-d54a-abfb-f7d3df1b0000] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-15/ty-article/.premium/talks-over-the-gaza-trump-plans-second-stage-have-begun/00000199-e4cc-d7e9-adfd-ffef08f60000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-10-15/ty-article/.premium/talks-over-the-gaza-trump-plans-second-stage-have-begun/00000199-e4cc-d7e9-adfd-ffef08f60000] * https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/13/explainer-who-are-the-palestinian-captives-israel-released [https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/13/explainer-who-are-the-palestinian-captives-israel-released] * https://www.npr.org/2025/10/13/nx-s1-5573139/palestinians-prisoners-released [https://www.npr.org/2025/10/13/nx-s1-5573139/palestinians-prisoners-released] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/middle-east-news/2025-09-29/ty-article/eu-confirms-it-has-reinstated-iran-sanctions-e3-urge-tehran-against-escalatory-action/00000199-95e1-d4f2-a3b9-d7e5f7cb0000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/middle-east-news/2025-09-29/ty-article/eu-confirms-it-has-reinstated-iran-sanctions-e3-urge-tehran-against-escalatory-action/00000199-95e1-d4f2-a3b9-d7e5f7cb0000] * https://open.spotify.com/episode/7o85D6R7hudat1ifuPDtas?si=4d20f5ffc5a94e68 [https://open.spotify.com/episode/7o85D6R7hudat1ifuPDtas?si=4d20f5ffc5a94e68]

Trump's 20 Point Ceasefire Proposal

Join Avi as he discusses Donald Trump's new ceasefire proposal for Gaza, which Netanyahu has announced his support for. He also discusses the wave of Western states that have recognized the state of Palestine, and what the implications of this are. Sources: * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-09-30/ty-article/.premium/through-the-fog-of-the-trump-netanyahu-summit-qatar-emerges-as-the-only-clear-winner/00000199-9a48-d0f3-a599-deebd6b60000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-09-30/ty-article/.premium/through-the-fog-of-the-trump-netanyahu-summit-qatar-emerges-as-the-only-clear-winner/00000199-9a48-d0f3-a599-deebd6b60000] * https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/21/canada-australia-join-uk-in-recognising-palestinian-statehood [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/21/canada-australia-join-uk-in-recognising-palestinian-statehood] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-09-25/ty-article/.premium/palestinians-say-israel-shut-west-banks-main-crossing-to-jordan-over-state-recognition/00000199-7d7f-daea-adff-7fffbc4a0000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/israel-news/2025-09-25/ty-article/.premium/palestinians-say-israel-shut-west-banks-main-crossing-to-jordan-over-state-recognition/00000199-7d7f-daea-adff-7fffbc4a0000] * https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-1-2025/ [https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-1-2025/] * https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/oct/01/israel-gaza-offensive-benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-donald-trump-middle-east-crisis-live-news [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/oct/01/israel-gaza-offensive-benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-donald-trump-middle-east-crisis-live-news] * https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/01/world/middleeast/gaza-flotilla-aid-global-sumud-israel.html [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/01/world/middleeast/gaza-flotilla-aid-global-sumud-israel.html] * https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/world-news/2025-10-02/ty-article/.premium/report-four-wounded-in-car-ramming-stabbing-in-manchester-synagogue/00000199-a461-dde8-a9f9-bdf9fa210000 [https://www-haaretz-com.revproxy.brown.edu/world-news/2025-10-02/ty-article/.premium/report-four-wounded-in-car-ramming-stabbing-in-manchester-synagogue/00000199-a461-dde8-a9f9-bdf9fa210000]