Copper State of Mind: public relations, media, and marketing in Arizona

PR as Conductor of the Marketing Communications Orchestra

Follow the podcast If you enjoyed this episode, please follow Copper State of Mind in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast app. We publish new episodes every other Friday. Just pick your preferred podcast player from this link, open the app, and click the button to “Follow” the show: https://copperstateofmind.show/listen [https://copperstateofmind.show/listen] Need to hire a PR firm? We demystify the process and give you some helpful advice in Episode 19: "How to Hire a Public Relations Agency in Arizona: Insider Tips for Executives and Marketing Directors [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/how-to-hire-public-relations-agency-phoenix-arizona]." Credits Copper State of Mind, hosted by Abbie Fink [https://hmapr.com/team/abbie-s-fink/] and Dr. Adrian McIntyre [https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianmcintyre], is brought to you by HMA Public Relations [https://hmapr.com/], a full-service public relations firm in Phoenix, AZ. The show is recorded and produced by the team at Speed of Story [https://speedofstory.com], a strategic communications consultancy for PR agencies and marketing firms, and distributed by PHX.fm [https://phx.fm/], the leading independent B2B podcast network in Arizona. If you like this podcast, you might also enjoy PRGN Presents: PR News & Views from the Public Relations Global Network [https://prgnpodcast.com/], featuring conversations about strategic communications, marketing, and PR from PRGN, "the world’s local public relations agency.”

What Does It Take for PR Firms to Earn a Seat at the Strategy Table?

Abbie Fink and Adrian McIntyre discuss the evolving role of communications and public relations professionals within organizational hierarchies. The conversation kicks off with Adrian highlighting the longstanding advocacy for including communications leaders at the strategic table. He suggests that this inclusion is no longer just a desire for prestige; it is now critical for organizational survival. Abbie echoes these sentiments, expressing that the ability of organizations to effectively communicate their strategies internally and externally is essential for success. As they discuss the traditional view of public relations as a secondary support function, Abbie emphasizes the importance of positioning communications teams as integral to strategy development. In an age where trust in institutions is dwindling, she advocates for a more authentic and transparent communication approach. She consider how often organizations may overlook the strategic insights that communications professionals can offer, instead relegating them to a role of mere implementation rather than active participation in shaping organizational direction. Adrian introduces an insightful perspective on branding, asserting that branding is constantly happening through every interaction and touchpoint. He urges corporate leaders to recognize the interplay between reputational risk and economic risk. Both he and Abbie agree that communication professionals should not wait to be invited to share their perspectives; rather, they should assert their expertise boldly and proactively. The conversation takes a turn towards examining the dynamics that often hamper effective client-agency interactions. Abbie describes the common scenario where decisions made by leadership may not fully consider the insights from communications experts, often seeking affirmation rather than genuine input. This environment, she argues, can stifle creativity and hinder the potential for robust strategic discussions. Adrian supports this point, highlighting the importance of clear, confident communication and the role that experience plays in establishing credibility. As the episode progresses, the duo tackles the complexities of billing practices within the PR sector. Abbie candidly discusses the challenge of articulating value to clients when it comes to pricing. Drawing from her extensive experience, she asserts that the focus should shift from hourly rates to the overall value and outcomes provided. By establishing a clear linkage between the expertise they offer and the tangible impacts on client success, she believes agencies can cultivate stronger relationships built on understanding and mutual respect. Adrian then challenges the audience to rethink their current measurement practices, emphasizing that relying solely on easily counted metrics can lead organizations astray. He posits that the most significant outcomes may be challenging to quantify but are nonetheless vital to understanding the true impact of communication efforts. Abbie concurs, citing the evolution of measurement practices that prioritize meaningful engagement over superficial metrics. She highlights the necessity of aligning KPIs with business objectives to ensure that public relations initiatives contribute to overall strategic goals. In conclusion, Abbie and Adrian share a vision for the future where communications professionals are seen as essential strategic partners rather than peripheral players. They advocate for a collaborative approach that encourages open dialogue and embraces diverse perspectives. Ultimately, they hope that organizations will recognize the invaluable contributions of communications teams in navigating an increasingly complex and trust-challenged world. Read the transcript and notes [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/how-pr-firms-earn-seat-at-strategy-table] for this episode on our website. Follow the podcast If you enjoyed this episode, please follow Copper State of Mind in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast app. We publish new episodes every other Friday. Just pick your preferred podcast player from this link, open the app, and click the button to “Follow” the show: https://copperstateofmind.show/listen [https://copperstateofmind.show/listen] Need to hire a PR firm? We demystify the process and give you some helpful advice in Episode 19: "How to Hire a Public Relations Agency in Arizona: Insider Tips for Executives and Marketing Directors [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/how-to-hire-public-relations-agency-phoenix-arizona]." Credits Copper State of Mind, hosted by Abbie Fink [https://hmapr.com/team/abbie-s-fink/] and Dr. Adrian McIntyre [https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianmcintyre], is brought to you by HMA Public Relations [https://hmapr.com/], a full-service public relations firm in Phoenix, AZ. The show is recorded and produced by the team at Speed of Story [https://speedofstory.com], a strategic communications consultancy for PR agencies and marketing firms, and distributed by PHX.fm [https://phx.fm/], the leading independent B2B podcast network in Arizona. If you like this podcast, you might also enjoy PRGN Presents: PR News & Views from the Public Relations Global Network [https://prgnpodcast.com/], featuring conversations about strategic communications, marketing, and PR from PRGN, "the world’s local public relations agency.”

Can Journalistic Ethics and Editorial Integrity Survive an Onslaught of Bad-Faith Actors?

Journalism's role as a trustworthy source of verified information is under siege. With unprecedented speed, modern crises now spur a phenomenal amount of real-time media content that challenges conventional journalistic practices. How does the rapid influx of information — and misinformation — impact communication professionals, journalists, and the public? Abbie and Adrian explore the dynamic interplay of ethics, truth-telling, and the role of technology in shaping public perception. Read the transcript and notes [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/journalistic-ethics-editorial-integrity] for this episode on our website. Key Takeaways 1. The rapid proliferation of crises and media through advanced technology poses unique ethical challenges for journalists in reporting verified facts. 2. Ethical journalism necessitates careful gatekeeping, especially when assessing user-generated content that could alter the authenticity of news stories. 3. Adrian emphasizes that professional journalists, even when acting in good faith, face difficult editorial decisions driven by external and internal pressures. 4. Abbie advocates for recognizing the complex decisions journalists must navigate to ethically and transparently communicate important narratives. 5. We discuss historical precedents in media ethics, highlighting the importance of intention and good faith in journalism. Follow the podcast If you enjoyed this episode, please follow Copper State of Mind in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast app. We publish new episodes every other Friday. Just pick your preferred podcast player from this link, open the app, and click the button to “Follow” the show: https://copperstateofmind.show/listen [https://copperstateofmind.show/listen] Need to hire a PR firm? We demystify the process and give you some helpful advice in Episode 19: "How to Hire a Public Relations Agency in Arizona: Insider Tips for Executives and Marketing Directors [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/how-to-hire-public-relations-agency-phoenix-arizona]." Credits Copper State of Mind, hosted by Abbie Fink [https://hmapr.com/team/abbie-s-fink/] and Dr. Adrian McIntyre [https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianmcintyre], is brought to you by HMA Public Relations [https://hmapr.com/], a full-service public relations firm in Phoenix, AZ. The show is recorded and produced by the team at Speed of Story [https://speedofstory.com], a strategic communications consultancy for PR agencies and marketing firms, and distributed by PHX.fm [https://phx.fm/], the leading independent B2B podcast network in Arizona. If you like this podcast, you might also enjoy PRGN Presents: PR News & Views from the Public Relations Global Network [https://prgnpodcast.com/], featuring conversations about strategic communications, marketing, and PR from PRGN, "the world’s local public relations agency.”

The Rearview Mirror and the Road Ahead: Public Relations in 2026

Abbie Fink and Adrian McIntyre look back at their Top 10 most popular podcast episodes of 2025 to identify the key themes, trends, and industry shifts that will impact public relations in 2026. They talk about how PR and media are undergoing rapid transformation due to technological advancements and societal changes. Issues such as authenticity, trust, and influence are recurring themes in the discussion, along with the manipulation of public opinion, the impact of AI on the profession, and the decline of traditional journalism. Read the transcript and notes [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/rearview-mirror-road-ahead-public-relations-2026] for this episode on our website. Key Takeaways * The media landscape is shifting with the decline of traditional journalism and the rise of niche digital platforms, requiring new strategies for engagement. * Building genuine trust through authentic storytelling and transparent communications is crucial for brands in the current climate. * Public relations strategies must adapt to focus on influence and relationship-building rather than traditional celebrity endorsements. * AI is changing how media and communications are handled, presenting both challenges and opportunities for growth. * Developing leadership skills and fostering a culture of trust within organizations can enhance both internal and external communications. Follow the podcast If you enjoyed this episode, please follow Copper State of Mind in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast app. We publish new episodes every other Friday. Just pick your preferred podcast player from this link, open the app, and click the button to “Follow” the show: https://copperstateofmind.show/listen [https://copperstateofmind.show/listen] Need to hire a PR firm? We demystify the process and give you some helpful advice in Episode 19: "How to Hire a Public Relations Agency in Arizona: Insider Tips for Executives and Marketing Directors [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/how-to-hire-public-relations-agency-phoenix-arizona]." Credits Copper State of Mind, hosted by Abbie Fink [https://hmapr.com/team/abbie-s-fink/] and Dr. Adrian McIntyre [https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianmcintyre], is brought to you by HMA Public Relations [https://hmapr.com/], a full-service public relations firm in Phoenix, AZ. The show is recorded and produced by the team at Speed of Story [https://speedofstory.com], a strategic communications consultancy for PR agencies and marketing firms, and distributed by PHX.fm [https://phx.fm/], the leading independent B2B podcast network in Arizona. If you like this podcast, you might also enjoy PRGN Presents: PR News & Views from the Public Relations Global Network [https://prgnpodcast.com/], featuring conversations about strategic communications, marketing, and PR from PRGN, "the world’s local public relations agency.”

As Media Continues to Fragment, Relationships Matter More Than Ever

The Copper State of Mind podcast has won a prestigious Copper Anvil Award, one of the highest honors in the PR industry. 🎉 Abbie and Adrian discuss the significance of such awards before moving on to the main topic of the episode: the evolving role of PR professionals amidst changes in media. As traditional media platforms continue to evolve, Abbie highlights the increasing importance of cultivating relationships with niche content providers, such as digital creators and influencers, to effectively reach targeted audiences. Read the transcript and notes [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/media-fragmentation-relationships-matter] for this episode on our website. Key Takeaways * Winning awards, such as the Copper Anvil, acknowledges the excellence of PR strategies and provides recognition from industry peers. * Preparing award entries is a beneficial process, helping firms articulate their strategies and evaluate the success of their campaigns. * The shifting dynamics of the media industry require PR professionals to adapt by leveraging new platforms and building relationships with emerging content creators. * The traditional concept of media relations is expanding to include engagement with digital and niche content providers to effectively share stories. * Effective PR involves finding credible voices to engage with content producers, ensuring valuable messaging reaches the right audience. Follow the podcast If you enjoyed this episode, please follow Copper State of Mind in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast app. We publish new episodes every other Friday. Just pick your preferred podcast player from this link, open the app, and click the button to “Follow” the show: https://copperstateofmind.show/listen [https://copperstateofmind.show/listen] Need to hire a PR firm? We demystify the process and give you some helpful advice in Episode 19: "How to Hire a Public Relations Agency in Arizona: Insider Tips for Executives and Marketing Directors [https://copperstateofmind.show/episode/how-to-hire-public-relations-agency-phoenix-arizona]." Credits Copper State of Mind, hosted by Abbie Fink [https://hmapr.com/team/abbie-s-fink/] and Dr. Adrian McIntyre [https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianmcintyre], is brought to you by HMA Public Relations [https://hmapr.com/], a full-service public relations firm in Phoenix, AZ. The show is recorded and produced by the team at Speed of Story [https://speedofstory.com], a strategic communications consultancy for PR agencies and marketing firms, and distributed by PHX.fm [https://phx.fm/], the leading independent B2B podcast network in Arizona. If you like this podcast, you might also enjoy PRGN Presents: PR News & Views from the Public Relations Global Network [https://prgnpodcast.com/], featuring conversations about strategic communications, marketing, and PR from PRGN, "the world’s local public relations agency.”