PBM Insider Exposes How Billions Are Hidden From Your Health Plan | ft. Ryan Rice @Prism Health
The system controlling prescription drug pricing was designed to save money. Instead, it's costing employers billions. In this episode, Chuck sits down with Ryan Rice, CEO of Prism Health Group and former senior executive at Express Scripts and Navitas Health, for one of the most frank conversationsabout Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) you'll hear.
Ryan’s firm has delivered over $1 billion in plan cost savings to his clients. He knows exactly how the game is played, and in this episode, hemexplains how we can stop losing it.
If you or your employees receive health insurance through an employer, this episode is required listening.
What You'll Hear:
Ryan breaks down how PBMs were originally created to use collective buying power to lower drug costs ,but that mission has been quietly hollowed out as these companies grew into publicly traded giants that answer to Wall Street shareholders instead of plan members.
He and Chuck walk through the mechanics of rebate manipulation: how drug manufacturers pay rebates that pass through a GPO, and how employers often receive only afraction of what they're owed. A single administrative reclassification can shift hundreds of millions of dollars. Most employers never even know it happens.
They dig into the recent bipartisan 2025 Consolidated Appropriations Act and the uncomfortable truth that full enforcement doesn't kick in until 2028 at the earliest. PBMs are typically 5 to 10 years ahead of any regulatory action, backed by nearly half a billion dollars in annual lobbying and special interest contributions.
But this episode isn't just a takedown. Ryan and Chuck spend significant time on solutions — specifically, a model PBM contract they've developed together that has already been accepted by several national PBMs. It gives employers the ability to terminate without cause, access claims data at themost granular level, enforce hard disclosure mandates with real penalties, and lock in aggressive pricing that doesn't erode through exclusions and fine print.
Ryan and Chuck’s closing argument is direct: civil fines are the cost of doing business for billion-dollar enterprises. Criminal penalties and conflict-of-interest rules modeled on the Stark Law that already governs physicians are what can actually change behavior.
Takeaways for Employers:
You don't have to wait for Washington to act because a better-drafted contract is available now
Claims data access isn't a courtesy; demand it as a contractual right
Net per-member-per-month spend is the metric that matters, not rebate totals
Larger PBMs aren't automatically better. What you've negotiated is what counts
Takeaways for Employers:
Your HR department and CFO may not know what's in your PBM contract, so share this episode with them.
Health insurance is now the second-largest employer expense, often exceeding mortgage payments so it is worth your attention.
Call the DC Congressional Switchboard at 202-224-3121 and tell your representatives and their staffers that recent legislation is a start, but real enforcement needs to follow.
About Ryan Rice: Ryan Rice is the CEO and Founding Principal of Prism Health Group. He has held senior positions at Express Scripts and Navitas Health, served as a pharmacy consultant with the Birchfield Group, and was instrumental in taking aDC health system startup public. His work has delivered over $1 billion in plan cost savings and quality care outcomes.
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