Draft/Deliberative Podcast
On September 29, 2008, I sat stunned in front of the television. The House of Representatives had failed to pass a proposed $700 billion bank bailout plan. The Dow was dropping, second by second, finally landing nearly 778 points below where it had started that morning. Nearly 18 years later, that day — and everything that happened in response — still reverberates in our politics. In recent weeks, turmoil in the private credit markets has had echoes of 2008. To help us better understand what’s happening — and just how worried we should be — Cyrus and I invited Michael Hardaway, a former advisor to President Obama and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, to join the podcast. The private credit market emerged directly from the 2008 financial crisis — an unintended consequence of well-intentioned regulation. The Dodd-Frank Act required banks to hold more capital against risky loans, so banks stopped lending to risky borrowers. That’s where private credit — part of the “shadow banking” sector — stepped in. Private credit funds run by firms like Apollo, Blackstone, and Ares have grown roughly tenfold since 2009, now totaling nearly $3 trillion globally. Chasing higher yields, they’ve lent to borrowers that banks won't touch, with almost no public oversight. Now, AI is disrupting the software and tech companies these funds lent heavily to, triggering the market's first real liquidity crunch. As Michael notes in the podcast, this crunch is not likely to lead to a 2008 redux — at least not yet. Private credit makes up a comparatively small share of the overall market. But the challenges highlight bigger questions about how financial markets operate — and why state and local leaders should be paying attention. The public pension funds of teachers, firefighters, and state employees are sitting inside the private credit market — and other markets like venture capital that are arguably even less transparent. Furthermore, Trump signed an executive order in 2025 directing federal agencies to clear the path for 401(k) holders to invest in private credit and other alternative assets — potentially injecting up to $13 trillion into this market and exposing retail investors who lack the financial literacy to evaluate these risks. As someone who’s dived deeply into creative ways to fund regional economic development strategies, I understand the value of financial innovation — up to a point. I often wish that more of the brainpower used to find new ways to make already wealthy people more money was dedicated to other problems — like fixing healthcare or climate change. That’s a topic for another podcast (or three). But for now, it’s clear: When public money is on the line, “trust us” isn’t good enough. Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/episode/63NTIsnp5SZOUqMsACPwLQ?si=tNLQifehTsamBCChxdD9Lg] ┃Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/draft-deliberative-podcast/id1894253551]┃Pocket Casts [https://pca.st/rdw22hi3] Video editing: Olivia Bortner This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit joannamikulski.substack.com [https://joannamikulski.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]
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