Fascia & Bones: Unpacking the Mystery

Interview with Lauren Rose, PT

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2411882/fan_mail/new] Welcome back to Fascia and Bones… In Season 2, Episode 12 I am interviewing Lauren Rose, PT who is a fabulous practitioner and teacher of visceral, neural, vascular and energetics in Santa Fe, New Mexico. She began her career as an artist/jeweler and discovered Polarity work, then her training in massage therapy, which inspired her to get her Master’s in Physical Therapy. After working in hospital settings for four years, she went into private practice. She continued her education studying and assisting with Jean-Pierre Barral, DO. Lauren Rose has set an example of how women develop, create and stay curious in manual therapy. Her compassion, zest and curiosity shine through this interview. Her website is https://www.physicaltherapynm.com/. Lauren and I plan to meet again in a month to discuss specific techniques. I am very excited to share and honor a great teacher in this episode.

S2 E11: Trauma Is Not Stored in the Body

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2411882/fan_mail/new] In Season 2, Episode 11 I am sharing some thoughts based on my clinical research and upcoming book on how to support trauma, especially with regards to how popular discussing this conversations has become  in the last few months in social media. This is invitation to reframe how we talk about trauma. There’s a phrase that has become incredibly popular in trauma culture: “The body keeps the score.” And while I understand why this idea resonates with so many people, I want to invite a deeper and more nuanced conversation. These are ideas that are presented in my upcoming book to be release in the end of 2026 entitled Somatic Touch: An integrative approach to physical and psychosomatic trauma. Because I don’t actually believe trauma is “stored” in the body in the simplistic way it is often talked about. I don’t think trauma sits trapped in the tissues like a toxin waiting to be released. What I think is happening is far more complex, relational, and honestly, far more fascinating. What we call trauma is often an adaptive neurobiological pattern. A learned survival physiology. A predictive response shaped by environment, attachment, development, physiology, and relationship. And yes — it absolutely shows up in the body. But that is different than saying trauma is physically stored there like an object. This distinction matters. Especially for practitioners. Especially for neurodivergent folks. Especially for anyone who has felt harmed, overwhelmed, or pathologized by certain trauma narratives. Because many people have come to believe they are carrying hidden trauma trapped inside them that must somehow be excavated, discharged, or released through shaking, catharsis, or emotional excavation. And I want to question that framework. Not to dismiss trauma. Not to dismiss suffering. But to invite us into a more holistic and embryological understanding of how human beings actually develop and regulate. From an osteopathic and embryological lens, the body is never just tissue. For more go to my Substack for full text.

S2E10: Discussion with Kieran Schumaker on metaphors in teaching and working with clients

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2411882/fan_mail/new] Welcome back to Fascia and Bones: Unpacking the Mystery.  Some things I love—fascia and bones with a detective mystery. I am a practicing manual osteopath and structural integrator and love working with the connective tissue of the body and the holistic systems of the body. I am also a long-time educator in the field of bodywork and movement. My hope is to share some insights into the fields I practice. In Season 2, Episode 10, I am with Kieran Schumaker (they/them), ATSI, BCSI instructor Neurovascular Release Courses who is coming to teach their classes in September and November of 2026. We are following up our discussion from Season 2 Episode 6 where we are talking about curiosity and mentioned metaphor. Here we are diving deeper into many ways we teach with metaphor as well as how this supports our clients on becoming more embodied. Kier wrote Why we use metaphors: 1. To help us feel tissue, finding the right touch or the right layer * nodule the size of a pea to describe how to feel for the C2,3 nerve roots * kidney covered in its fat pad feels like a bar of soap 2. To help us understand spatial relationships in a complex system * glide planes * stacking the bones * tensegrity network 3. To describe presence or movement quality * feels like butter * fluid movement 4. To help others see what we see * Rolfing traditionally uses geometric metaphors, such as cylinders * hourglass figure 5. To name what is frustrating or challenging * dropped, collapsed, or fallen arches * blocky vastus lateralis * jacked up nervous system Some metaphors we discuss (In no particular order): * Imagination—to help us sense, touch, feel, and be present with bodies * Rooted—firmly established, deeply felt * Back Body—bend, support, not the front * Fluid (movement)—like water * Stable or Stability—to stand * Glide Plane (for intermuscular septum)—relationship between two tissue layers, but not like two plates sliding. * Grapefruit Sections—muscle compartments in the thigh * Nerve roots  * Artery branches * Upstream—closer to the Central Nervous System or central vascular system. * Beet root analogy—when talking with clients and students about dural restrictions. And now for the podcast discussion with Kier. Class Registration Links: Manual NVR™ Part 1: Head, Neck, and "Roots of Arms" - September 18-20, 2026, Taos, New Mexico (USA) https://learn.neurovascular-release.online/courses/manual-nvr-part-1-sept-2026-taos [https://learn.neurovascular-release.online/courses/manual-nvr-part-1-sept-2026-taos] Manual Neurovascular Release Part 2: Lower Thorax, Pelvis, and Hips November 13-15, 2026 https://learn.neurovascular-release.online/courses/manual-nvr-part-2-november-2026-taos [https://learn.neurovascular-release.online/courses/manual-nvr-part-2-november-2026-taos] November 16, 2026 Integration and Practice https://learn.neurovascular-release.online/courses/manual-nvr-masterclass-nov-16-2026-taos [https://learn.neurovascular-release.online/courses/manual-nvr-masterclass-nov-16-2026-taos] Somatic Touch [https://www.drkirstie.com/online-courses] © 2023 by Kirstie Segarra [https://www.drkirstie.com/home] is licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/]

S2E9, “Turning up the volume”, Zohran Mamdani, changing paradigm of trauma theory, feminism, patriarchy, colonization, non-binary and queer politics.

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2411882/fan_mail/new] Welcome back to Fascia and Bones: Unpacking the Mystery.  Some things I love—fascia and bones with a detective mystery. I am a practicing manual osteopath and structural integrator and love working with the connective tissue of the body and the holistic systems of the body. I am also a long-time educator in the field of bodywork and movement. My hope is to share some insights into the fields I practice. In Season 2, Episode 9, I am sharing some thoughts around “turning up the volume”, Zohran Mamdani, changing paradigm of trauma theory, feminism, patriarchy, colonization, non-binary and queer politics. I have been reflecting as women how we hold each other up, support each other, and continue to melt the patriarchal messages, including within us, to help offer healing and change in the systems we live in.    I thought I would share an excerpt from my book I am writing and the chapter is entitled “How trauma shows up in the body or does it?”  “In resonance, all fluid systems are united. I say that no matter where in the galaxy they may be, all fluid systems function as basically one body or organ of intelligence.” — Emilie Conrad Go to Substack for full post. Meanwhile, thank you for listening to Fascia and Bones: Unpacking the Mystery and please review the podcast on the platform you listen to. Somatic Touch [https://www.drkirstie.com/online-courses] © 2023 by Kirstie Segarra [https://www.drkirstie.com/home] is licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/]

S2E8: Interview with Dr. Helen Frances Paris, Performance Artist in Feminism, Professor and Writer

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2411882/fan_mail/new] In Season 2, Episode 8, I am interviewing Dr. Helen Frances Paris, an extraordinary performance artist, writer, and professor who brings a deep experience with the body, feminism, as well as queer politics. She began her performance artist career in the 90’s in London. Dr. Helen and I speak about how she incorporates the body in her performance art and her writing. We speak about the hyoid bone as a way of reclaiming authenticity, how women are often not heard/listen too. Dr. Helen supports her students to rediscover, claim, and explore the next chapter in our lives within creativity and much, much, more. She is leading a women’s retreat for in creative writing in April of 2026 in the south of France. Which I plan to attend. You can learn more about it at https://www.creativebody.org/nextchapter. Her website is curiousperformance.com [http://curiousperformance.com] and on Instagram at Helen Frances Paris. Another wonderful podcast with Dr. Helen at https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/best-book-forward/id1709327980?i=1000740333751.    Now for the interview with Dr. Helen.