Her Deepest Ecologies: The Podcast

Episode 14: Martha Silano

“I am always finding inspiration out there.” In April, during National Poetry Month, I had the chance to talk with Martha Silano about her writing process, her poetry teachers, her new book (This One We Call Ours, winner of the 2024 Blue Lynx Prize in Poetry) and her recent ALS diagnosis. This conversation was a real gift after taking multiple poetry classes with Martha over the past several years. After this interview, I attended Martha’s book launch in September 2024 at Third Place Books in Seward Park and it was incredible to see her community of family, friends, and poets there to support this book and read poems on her behalf. Terrain.org offered a similar reading online and that link is below. Martha has two more books (Terminal Surreal (Acre Books, 2025), Last Train to Paradise: New and Selected Poems (Saturnalia Books, 2025)) scheduled for release in 2025 and she continues to publish her work widely. Martha’s Bio [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/martha-silano] Martha Silano’s poetry collections include Terminal Surreal (Acre Books, 2025), Last Train to Paradise: New and Selected Poems (Saturnalia Books, 2025), This One We Call Ours (Lynx House Press, 2024), winner of the 2023 Blue Lynx Prize, Gravity Assist (Saturnalia Books, 2019), Reckless Lovely (Saturnalia Books, 2014), and The Little Office of the Immaculate Conception (Saturnalia Books, 2011). Her awards include North American Review’s James Hearst Poetry Prize and The Cincinnati Review’s Robert and Adele Schiff Award. A Tribute to Martha Silano by Eleven Poets: An Online Reading Hosted by Terrain.org [https://www.terrain.org/2024/events/tribute-to-martha-silano/] Possible Diagnosis What’s that stone, that one stone edgingtoward the edge? In Italian, for spider,say ragno. Say web in a musical spell. I was with a friend,on my last round. When I told herI might be dying, she was my dictator of snow, holding meand my gone-berserk nerves.I told her my mother puts the relevant clues in crossword puzzles:Riley, refs, and palomas. Isn’t shethe best cheerer-upper ever? Maybe I’m a witch for the drama cauldron,maybe I just need more sleep, morenooky, cookies-n-cream. Old and unheavy, in need of rest. God?I don’t quite believe, but at nightI let myself go fetal, hands pressed like that plastic pair Svennie foundat a thrift store in Shelton. To breathe.To swallow. Now I understand: incurable might not be the worst thing. Upsides, like creasingthe cloth napkins, carrying them down to their homein a living room drawer, admiring the spotted towhee making a ruckus in dead leaves.I thought it would be like a thumb coming downon a spider’s body, but it was not. Published in The Shore [https://www.theshorepoetry.org/martha-silano-possible-diagnosis] More about [https://magazine.washington.edu/feature/martha-silanos-forthcoming-book-terminal-surreal-explores-her-terminal-illness-diagnosis/]Terminal Surreal [https://magazine.washington.edu/feature/martha-silanos-forthcoming-book-terminal-surreal-explores-her-terminal-illness-diagnosis/] coming September 2025 [https://magazine.washington.edu/feature/martha-silanos-forthcoming-book-terminal-surreal-explores-her-terminal-illness-diagnosis/] in University of Washington Magazine. Self-Elegies [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/1626393/self-elegies] recently published on the poetryfoundation.org. Her Deepest Ecologies is recorded at Jack Straw Cultural Center in Seattle, WA. Thanks to their Artist Support Program and studio engineer Ayesha Ubayatilaka. All episodes are available on Substack, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. This podcast is free and available to anyone. For more information or to be considered for a future episode, reach out via email at: jessicagigot@gmail.com [https://substack.com/redirect/8b09bbd7-410c-43ae-ae6a-23f1b6f24d7c?j=eyJ1IjoiNDkzcW14In0.IfXPuLE2JcznnL5IrStv_J029DfVI4wS8RSQp4DfnD0]. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit herdeepestecologies.substack.com [https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

Episode 13: Louis Ledford

“I am concentrating on playing live in front of as small an audience as possible.” I have always loved Louis Ledford’s music and his captivating storytelling. I enjoyed the chance to talk about songwriting, his life as an artist, and his move to Bellingham from New Orleans. He performs regularly in and around Bellingham, hosts a radio show, and curates music for the Honey Moon [https://www.honeymoonmeads.com/calendar]. After doing a lot of virtual performances during the pandemic, I appreciate his focus right now on playing live, intimate shows where he can “make eye contact” with his audience. I have included some videos and links below and featured two of my favorite Louis songs in the interview—enjoy! Louis’ Bio: Born in the American South, Louis Ledford has carved out a career composing and performing literate Americana roots music. He has produced three solo recordings in association with Waterbug Records, a relationship which began in 2005 when Ledford met label owner Andrew Calhoun at the legendary Texas Kerrvile Folk Festival. Louis has collaborated with folk diva Anais Mitchell on several projects including his singing the role of Hades for a early roadshow performing songs that became the bones of her Tony winning Broadway musical Hadestown. Mitchell recorded his song “When You Fall” for her collaborative album Country EP with Rachel Ries released by Ani Difranco’s Righteous Babe Records. His songs are three and one half minute stories that detail seemingly real characters who rise and fall to the melody and rhythm of a piedmont style finger picked guitar. You will hear echoes of Willie Nelson and Guy Clark in his voice. His arrangements invoke c&w, tin pan alley, beatles and the blues. https://louisledford.bandcamp.com/album/treebranch-and-moonlight [https://louisledford.bandcamp.com/album/treebranch-and-moonlight] https://www.louisledfordmusic.com/ [https://www.louisledfordmusic.com/] Listen to Louis on the Radio: Unknown Fidelity on Bellingham’s KZAX [https://spinitron.com/KZAX/show/180182/Unknown-Fidelity] https://www.mixcloud.com/UnknownFidelity/ [https://www.mixcloud.com/UnknownFidelity/] Music in podcast: Big Fat Moon, from Century Plant on Esplanade Ave., 2012 A Farm in New Hampshire, from Treebranch and Moonlight, 2010 Learn About the The Subdued Stringband Jamboree [https://stringbandjamboree.com/]: August 7, 8, and 9th, 2025 Her Deepest Ecologies is recorded at Jack Straw Cultural Center in Seattle, WA. Thanks to their Artist Support Program and studio engineer Ayesha Ubayatilaka. All episodes are available on Substack, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. This podcast is free and available to anyone. For more information or to be considered for a future episode, reach out via email at: jessicagigot@gmail.com [https://substack.com/redirect/8b09bbd7-410c-43ae-ae6a-23f1b6f24d7c?j=eyJ1IjoiNDkzcW14In0.IfXPuLE2JcznnL5IrStv_J029DfVI4wS8RSQp4DfnD0]. https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com/ [https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com/] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit herdeepestecologies.substack.com [https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

Episode 12: Emily Gigot

“We’ve extracted all the materials we really need to clothe ourselves.” My sister has worked in the textile and apparel industry for many years. Her work is focused on sustainability and we had a great discussion about clothing, waste, fabric quality, fiber types and processing, and the future of textiles. As someone who has been focused on sustainable food systems, it was very illuminating to learn about the potential and obstacles associated with sustainable supply chain management in apparel. Our conversation tackled the life cycle of a shirt, which brought up a variety of ideas, initiatives, and complexities around sustainability. I have created a glossary of terms below and included some additional links. Emily’s Bio [https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilygigot/]: Emily is a Seattle-based corporate sustainability leader. With diverse experience spanning apparel, international community development and sustainability, she’s a Pacific Northwesterner who’s happy to be back in Seattle after years living and working in Los Angeles, Thailand and Peru. She holds an MBA in Sustainable Business a BA in Diplomacy and World Affairs. Glossary of Terms * Circularity [https://erefdn.org/advancing-circularity/]-keeps materials moving through reuse, repair, redistribution, and recycling. This is the most powerful way to preserve natural resources and minimize emissions that cause climate change. * Microfiber [https://deohs.washington.edu/sites/default/files/brochures/microfiber-factsheet.pdf]-a polyester and nylon (polyamide) fiber that is used to make fabric. The fiber is split many times smaller than a human hair. * Fiber Fragment [https://fashionforgood.com/our_news/not-so-micro-an-exploration-of-the-impact-of-fibre-fragmentation-2/#:~:text=Fibre%20fragments%20have%20a%20negative,through%20waterways%2C%20air%20and%20soil.]-*updated* term for microfiber. They have a negative impact on our environment and our health too. They shed due to chemical processing, mechanical stress and natural weathering. They are released and transferred through waterways, air and soil. * Global Organic Textile Standard [https://global-standard.org/]-developed by leading standard setters to define world-wide recognized requirements for organic textiles. From the harvesting of the raw materials, environmentally and socially responsible manufacturing to labelling, textiles certified to GOTS provide a credible assurance to the consumer. * Fast Fashion [https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/fashion-clothing/what-fast-fashion-why-it-problem]-widely considered to be low-quality apparel produced rapidly to follow current trends in the industry and sold at rock-bottom prices. Although the monetary cost is low, textile workers and the environment are paying a high price. Fast fashion is cheap because workers are not paid adequately. Clothes are poorly made, widely purchased, rarely worn and quickly thrown away. * Man-made cellulosics [https://textileexchange.org/manmade-cellulosics/] -regenerated fibers usually made from the dissolved wood pulp or “cellulose” of trees. Viscose, lyocell, and modal are all kinds of man-made cellulosics. Because they’re plant-based, MMCFs are renewable, and so have the potential to be a climate-friendly material if the wood is sourced sustainably and the processing chemicals are handled properly. * Responsible Textile Recover Act [https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/california-responsible-textile-recovery-act-passed/729095/]-California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed this into law October 2024, making apparel and textile producers responsible for creating a plan to collect, repair and recycle their products. * Threadcycle [https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/dnrp/waste-services/garbage-recycling-compost/services/textile-recycling] in King County * Knits, Wovens, Non-Woven Fabrics [https://www.stitchclinic.com/difference-between-fabrics/] Emily referenced Ghana in our talk. I wanted to share this recent and important PBS feature (November 2024) on waste in the textile industry. Her Deepest Ecologies is recorded at Jack Straw Cultural Center in Seattle, WA. Thanks to their Artist Support Program and studio engineer Ayesha Ubayatilaka. All episodes are available on Substack, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. For more information or to be considered for a future episode, reach out via email at jessicagigot@gmail.com. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit herdeepestecologies.substack.com [https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

Episode 11: Jared Beloff

“I have been a father for almost thirteen years and it’s a primary part of my identity. My poetry is me figuring myself out as much as it is figuring the world out for them.” I met Jared online during a Hugo House [https://hugohouse.org/] workshop I taught in 2021 called the Five Stage of Ecological Grief. We have stayed in touch and I appreciate how his first book Who Will Cradle You Head investigates the space where ecological grief, climate change, and fatherhood overlap. Sasquatch also figures prominently! In our conversation, we talk about writing through parenthood and the power and limitations of ecopoetry. Thank you for listening! Contextualizing a Forest Fire Continually Burning after Erika Meitner's "Outside the Frame" Outside the frame a toppled tree, a burning telephone pole, our wish to call our father who is reading headlines drinking coffee, steam rising from the rim to his face, a pleasant heat. Outside the frame melting asphalt, a sea of tar, friction and tires, a bus sinks into the road’s dark bed before pushing off for the day’s commute. Outside the frame particulate matter helixed in a window’s light, a wheezing refrigerator in an apartment that won’t cool down, a son teaching his mother what wet bulb temperatures are before she changes the subject to describe a new mask for sleep apnea. Outside the frame troubled sleep and orange skies. Outside the frame, brunch across from the park where children are playing, the stacking of spoons, cream gyres in refilled cups of coffee. Outside the frame a television’s light flickers against our walls, tourists running toward waves, aerial views of refugees carpeting boat decks until we are floating above flames to a panorama of char and embers, a ragged orange line across the horizon and we rise to the smoke’s dim curtain, the white sun that burns behind it and we lift higher still, through the thermosphere, sunset-singed clouds, contrails drawing new borders into a map of loss as we catch the sun along the earth’s curve and we realize all this time we’ve been burning together. Published in ASP Bulletin [https://theaspbulletin.com/contextualizing-a-forest-fire-continually-burning-jared-beloff/]. https://theaspbulletin.com/contextualizing-a-forest-fire-continually-burning-jared-beloff/ [https://theaspbulletin.com/contextualizing-a-forest-fire-continually-burning-jared-beloff/] Jared’s Bio: Jared Beloff is the author of the Who Will Cradle Your Head (ELJ Editions, 2023). He earned degrees at Rutgers University (BA in English) Johns Hopkins University (MA in English Literature, specializing in the novel and Romantic/18th Century Literature). Jared has been an adjunct professor at Queensborough Community College, an English teacher and a teacher leader in NYC public schools for 17 years. Jared is currently a poetry editor at The Weight Journal and Poets of Queens. His poetry can be found in AGNI, Baltimore Review, Rust & Moth, Crab Creek Review and elsewhere. His work has been nominated for Best of the Net and the Pushcart Prize. He lives with his wife and two daughters in Queens, NY. https://www.jaredbeloff.com/ [https://www.jaredbeloff.com/] https://elj-editions.com/who-will-cradle-your-head/ [https://elj-editions.com/who-will-cradle-your-head/] Her Deepest Ecologies is recorded at Jack Straw Cultural Center in Seattle, WA. Thanks to their Artist Support Program and studio engineer Ayesha Ubayatilaka. All episodes are available on Substack, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. This podcast is free and available to anyone. For more information or to be considered for a future episode, reach out via email at: jessicagigot@gmail.com [jessicagigot@gmail.com]. https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com/ [https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com/] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit herdeepestecologies.substack.com [https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

Episode 10: Andi Lloyd

“I use the language of ecology all the time in my preaching.” This interview was a real joy for me and a reunion of sorts. Andi Lloyd was my advisor in college, back when I was a biology major. At the time, she was teaching and doing research as a forest ecologist and professor and later became Dean of the Faculty and Vice President for Academic Affairs at Middlebury College. However, we discuss how her trajectory in life shifted dramatically. She is now a pastor in the United Church of Christ and has co-authored the book Letters from the Ecotone: Ecology, Theology, and Climate Change with Andrew Nagy-Benson [https://www.midducc.org/who-we-are/pastors-staff-and-officers]. Letters from the Ecotone invites readers into an open-hearted dialogue between friends—a scientist and a pastor. In a series of letters written during the pandemic, Lloyd and Nagy-Benson explore the realities of climate change from the perspectives of ecology and Christian theology. The authors seek common ground, where science and religion meet and share a vision of flourishing life on earth. At a time when the climate crisis is quickly emerging as an existential threat, this book charts a journey imbued with the insights of ecological science and the wisdom of the Christian tradition. Excerpt from Andi’s bio: I was born in Connecticut, and have lived most of my life in New England. Graduate school in biology & ecology took me west for several years, to Alaska and then Arizona, after which I returned to New England to teach at Middlebury College in Vermont. I was a professor of biology at Middlebury from 1996 until 2020; I served as the Dean of the Faculty and Vice President for Academic Affairs from 2012 through June, 2019. In my work as an ecologist, I studied the effects of climate change on forests in Alaska and Siberia. I had the great fortune to spend most summers – often with students at my side – in Alaska, studying treeline forests. During my time at Middlebury, I taught classes on plant ecology, evolution, and climate change. I left Middlebury College in June of 2019 to pursue a call to ordained ministry in the United Church of Christ. That journey took me back to Connecticut, to the Andover Newton Theological Seminary [https://andovernewton.yale.edu/]at Yale Divinity School [https://divinity.yale.edu/]. I graduated in May of 2022, and on June 5, 2022 was ordained to ministry in the United Church of Christ. I am currently serving as the pastor of the Trinitarian Congregational Parish of Castine [http://www.tcpoc.org/], Maine. Although I have left the world of doing science behind, my interest in climate change and creation justice and my passion for ecology continue to inform my understanding of the ministry to which I am called. Blessing for When the Night Is Long [https://andilloyd.wordpress.com/2023/05/10/blessing-for-when-the-night-is-long/] When the night is long.When the dark is deep.When doubt presses in.When not alone is distant memory and a dream too far.Then, may this blessing remind you:morning will come.You’ll hear itbefore you see it;the soul, too, has a dawn chorus.So,get quiet,incline your eareastward, andlistenfor a whisper of grace,a voice not your own,saying,take heart, dear one,morningis coming.Do you hear it?Let the promise settle upon you,peace after storm,and then be stillandknow:dawn’s tendrils are alreadyyearning their way toward you —like dewfall’s caress,a Presence felt, not listened to,a sudden assurance,born not of wordsbut a bone-deep knowing that hasbeen there all along,that you arenot alone, beloved.Do you feel it?Mercy, too, comesjust before the dawn.I can’t explainwhat happens next:that morning will come is a fact,butthe fact that it does comestill feels like pure andunabashedmiracle.Let it come.Let it bring you, grateful andunashamed of your need,to your knees.Let it break youwide open —like cloudburst,like budbreak,like the brightly breaking dawn:this one, right here,that beckons you,that calls youto live,to breathe,expandwithlight. (I wrote this on 5/3/2023 – the 8th day of a silent retreat at Eastern Point Retreat House in Gloucester, MA. The last five lines were the ending of a poem fragment written by my grandfather, Norman Lloyd, in the 1960s or 1970s.) Her Deepest Ecologies is recorded at Jack Straw Cultural Center in Seattle, WA. Thanks to their Artist Support Program and studio engineer Ayesha Ubayatilaka. All episodes are available on Substack, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. For more information or to be considered for a future episode, reach out via email at jessicagigot@gmail.com. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit herdeepestecologies.substack.com [https://herdeepestecologies.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]