Is this a breakdown or a breakthrough? A history of turning 40 and the midlife crisis with Corinne Fay
Is turning 40 a big deal? Am I headed for a midlife crisis? This week I'm joined by the brilliant Corinne Fay of Big Undies to dig into the actual history behind the midlife crisis (spoiler: it was invented in 1965, mostly about men, and honestly feels like a Mad Men episode). We trace the significance of "40" from Biblical floods to actuarial science to Gail Sheehy's hugely influential 1976 book Passages, and ask whether any of this is even real. We also review some truly unhinged celebrity 40th-birthday celebrations, including one that features a hologram of a dead father (!), and draft our personal role models for this stage of life. Angela Lansbury, Nicole Kidman's divorce photo, and Corinne's nephew all make the list. Perimenopause, Saturn's return, and Justin Timberlake's DWI also come up, because of course they do.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Intro & Patreon shoutout (Divas Live bonus episode, zine workshop)
01:11 – Meet Corinne Fay: Big Undies newsletter, Burnt Toast podcast, and freshly 40
02:47 – Moving to Patreon: what they love, what they miss about Substack
05:46 – Astrology check-in: Capricorn, Leo, Saturn's return, and what it all means
08:10 – Mary's turning 40 a week after her son turns one
10:30 – How Corinne celebrated her 40th (a solo trip to Marfa, Texas)
16:38 – Why did 40 become a milestone? The history begins
20:07 – The number 40 in the Bible, the Middle Ages, and actuarial science
23:20 – Freud, Jung, and psychology's role in defining midlife
25:04 – Elliott Jacques coins "midlife crisis" in 1965 (spoiler: it's mostly about men)
27:16 – Perimenopause enters the chat
37:24 – Gail Sheehy's Passages and "the deadline decade"
43:17 – Celebrity 40th birthday review: Oprah, Elizabeth Taylor, Kate Moss
52:09 – Kim Kardashian's pandemic island birthday and the hologram gift
59:26 – Draft: role models for turning 40 (Nicole Kidman, Angela Lansbury, Queen Latifah)
1:07:06 – Who NOT to be like at 40 (Justin Timberlake, Don Draper, Gwen Stefani)
1:09:45 – Closing wisdom and advice for turning 40
Full episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rl5nBjcfgmEqUZTRPi2p22AYMQkV3KG_W43xKYNtOE/edit?usp=sharing [https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rl5nBjcfgmEqUZTRPi2p22AYMQkV3KG_W43xKYNtOE/edit?usp=sharing]
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