PR Explored: The Podcast for Public Relations and Communications Pros
In this episode of PR Explored, host Michelle Garrett, a PR consultant, author, and writer talks with her guest Katie Robbert, CEO of Trust Insights, about how SEO and GEO (generative AI engine optimization) affect PR work. Robbert explains GEO as serving a new “business to machine” audience—LLMs like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Claude—which summarize information from sources such as listicles and quoted articles, making PR placements and strong SEO fundamentals still essential. Rather than throwing out playbooks, she recommends reverse-engineering AI results by asking for sources, targeting high-quality publications (including trade media), and measuring impact via analytics segments and “how did you hear about us” form fields. They discuss EEAT (experience, expertise, authoritativeness, trustworthiness), avoiding low-quality AI content, and making “machine-readable” content more detailed across owned and Google properties. Robbert also notes using constrained-source tools like NotebookLM and improving accessibility to help machine readability. 00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro 01:16 Why GEO Matters Now 02:00 Defining GEO vs SEO 03:29 Trust Insights GEO Course 06:46 SEO Not Dead Explained 11:05 No Need to Overhaul PR 13:19 Paid Placement and Authority 16:18 Measuring LLM Discovery 20:01 Are LLM Leads Better 24:30 PR Priorities for SEO GEO 27:07 Avoiding AI Content Slop 29:21 Google AI Mode Question 29:42 Critical Thinking vs AI 30:27 Sniff Test and Skepticism 33:27 Ask for Sources 34:07 Control the Inputs 35:10 Notebook LM Workflows 37:11 Trade Media Strategy 40:49 Press Releases for Machines 43:24 Wire Services and GEO 46:16 Start Your Own Publication 47:42 Be Everywhere for LLMs 50:50 Accessibility as SEO 52:14 Final Optimization Takeaways Show notes: Katie Robbert on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katierobbert/ Trust Insights GEO 101 course: https://academy.trustinsights.ai/courses/geo-101-for-marketers Trust Insights site: https://www.trustinsights.ai/ Follow the host: Website: www.michellegarrett.com [http://www.michellegarrett.com/] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prstrategist/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/prstrategist/] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PRisUs [https://www.youtube.com/@PRisUs] X/Twitter: https://x.com/PRisUs Threads: https://www.threads.com/@prwritergal Michelle's book - B2B PR That Gets Results - is available now [https://michellegarrett.com/b2b-pr-book/] Book a no-obligation call to talk about your needs here [https://calendly.com/michellegarrett/30-minute-call-to-chat-about-your-pr-needs]. About the host: Michelle Garrett is a B2B PR consultant, media relations consultant, writer and author of B2B PR That Gets Results [https://michellegarrett.com/b2b-pr-book/], an Amazon Best Seller. She helps companies create content, earn media coverage, and position themselves as thought leaders in their industry. Michelle’s articles have been featured by Entrepreneur, Content Marketing Institute, Muck Rack, and Ragan’s PR Daily, among others. She’s a frequent speaker and podcast guest on public relations and content. Michelle has been repeatedly ranked among the top ten most influential PR professionals. [https://www.cision.com/resources/articles/pr-experts-influencers/]
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