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Serial Entrepreneur: When Someone Tells You Your Energy Is Bringing Them Down | Soul Toll S1E5 DON'T HIRE SAD PEOPLE It sounds harsh until you sit with it. You can't change what's heavy in someone else's life. It's not your job to. And the people you build with, work with, live with — their energy ends up shaping yours, and yours shapes theirs. So who are you bringing close, and what are you bringing into the room when you walk in? If you've been thinking about the energy you bring, and the energy you're surrounded by, this is the conversation. ABOUT THE EPISODE In this episode of Soul Toll, host Anusia Gillespie sits down with serial entrepreneur Tivan Amour for a conversation about a philosophy he built a company on — don't hire sad people — and what happened when he had to apply it to himself. Tivan and his co-founder once had a stretch of bad hires. When they looked closely at the pattern, the people they were letting go all had something heavy outside of work pulling them down. They couldn't fix it, and they realized it wasn't theirs to fix. That insight became a philosophy. They got intentional about who they brought close, and the business got stronger. Tivan walks Anusia through how he holds it now, how he interviews for it, and why he thinks every interaction is a chance to set the tone rather than inherit one. Then the conversation turns. A few of his closest pickleball partners told him his energy was bringing them down on the court. He could have shrugged it off. Instead he started walking onto the court with intention, deciding to be a nine before he opened the gate. He started winning more. And he started to see that no matter how steady you are on average, you can be the heavy one in any given room and a philosophy is only as good as the rooms you carry it into. ABOUT THE GUEST Tivan Amour is a serial entrepreneur who has spent his career founding and scaling companies across manufacturing, e-commerce, real estate, and B2B software. He sold his last startup to a $2B company, where he built and led a global sales and support team of more than 140. He now serves as Founder and CEO of Upwind, a sales growth firm helping companies accelerate revenue through better outreach, stronger systems, and smarter execution. Outside of work, he spends time with his family, plays pickleball, and kiteboards. Learn more about Upwind: https://upwindcompanies.com/ CHAPTERS [00:00] Don't Hire Sad People [01:04] Lifestyle design as the frame [03:35] Why the philosophy works [05:09] The hires we had to let go [06:36] How do you interview for it [10:02] The word people flinch at [12:01] The conversation with my wife [13:11] What raising money actually costs [15:16] Turning 40 and chasing 30 [17:43] I wonder how sad people sleep [18:55] When you don't get to choose who's around you [19:50] Southern hospitality and what gets mirrored back [22:27] The pickleball partners who told me [25:00] The energy it takes to build something [26:30] You can be the heavy one at any moment [28:00] My version of gratitude [29:25] Everything is a game [31:20] How much control we actually have [32:34] Stop trying to change them SUBSCRIBE for new episodes of Soul Toll, dropping weekly. CONNECT Website: https://soul-toll.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/anusiagillespie LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/anusiagillespie Facebook: https://facebook.com/anusia.gillespie.5 Business inquiries: hello@soul-toll.com READ THE BOOK Soul Toll by Anusia Gillespie: https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Toll-Anusia-Gillespie/dp/B0FN9PSS2N PRODUCTION Director: Michael Dynice Writers and Producers: Anusia Gillespie, Lady Unicorn Executive Producers: Johnny Ray, Richard Messinger Lighting and Scenic Design: We Roadie and Grip Inc. Post Production and Editing: Streamography Produced for Warwick TV at Johnny Ray's Music Emporium WITH SPECIAL THANKS Eat Well Kitchen of Marblehead Johnny Ray's Music Emporium We Roadie and Grip Inc. Chic Streets Mabel of Marblehead The Yoga Loft Marblehead Ghislain Viau of Creative Publishing Book Design #SoulToll #TivanAmour #Energy #Entrepreneurship #LifestyleDesign #Upwind #Founders #IntentionalLiving #Pickleball #MindsetShift #AnusiaGillespie
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