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Welcome to 2026 and beyond

Thank you for tuning in to week 220 of the Lindahl Letter publication. A new edition arrives every Friday. This week the topic under consideration for the Lindahl Letter is, “Welcome to 2026 and beyond.” This last week has been about being a reflective practitioner and thinking about where we have been throughout the last year of the Lindahl Letter. This last year we covered research notes numbered from week 175 to 219. Back in June I did acknowledge a 56 day posting break in 2025 which is interesting to look back on now as an opportunity to reflect and build something substantial going forward. Toward the end of the year we got back into the groove of quality weekly missives which is good and something to continue. My focus on quantum, robotics, and AI seems to hold true to my roots of being generally interested in technology. Overall, my general interest in technology is what drives my interest in lifelong continuous learning. With that context being set it is probably easy enough to set the expectation that in 2026 and beyond the Lindahl Letter will be targeted toward the production of weekly research notes that are accessible, targeted, and focused. These missives will require less than 10 minutes of a reader’s time and should be a clear value add in terms of gaining knowledge, understanding, and context for complex technical content. Let’s establish the theoretical home base of this writing enterprise for 2026 which will be set on the foundation of digging into the edge of realized technology. That topic might sound familiar from week 212 of the Lindahl Letter. During that writing project we took a look at what technology is likely to be realized in the next 30 years. That coverage included looking at the metaverse, robotics, climate tech, space economy, biotech, synthetic biology, neurotech, and even fusion. I do believe that we will see quantum, robotics, and some AI mixed into that soup of potentially realized technology. All of that technology will see advancement and it will certainly be moving toward the edge of becoming realized technology. That is fundamental where it goes from being exploratory and research driven to being in production out in the wild where it will eventually become commoditized unless a clear winner breaks away and can hold onto a real advantage. I’m pretty skeptical about any of these technologies having a clear moat that allows that advantage. For the most part once a group of people know how to do these things the technology will be realized and break out into wider use. My primary weekly writing focus will be the Lindahl Letter and this is the place you will be able to find out what topics grab my attention and I consider to be worth sharing. My focus in the last 90 days has been heavily on quantum computing which is understandable due to how close it is getting to be a realized technology. We are on the edge of people figuring out how to demonstrate quantum supremacy for use cases and building these things into data centers as a clear value add for corporate customers and research labs that can afford to be a part of the journey. Outside of that, most of the major quantum computers that will be part of the early wave demonstrating the technology will be tied to either a research lab or corporate R&D group. Those early systems are starting to really scale up focus on specific advances in the quantum space. My research project in that space helped me to focus on open-access nanofabs, national laboratories, commercial foundry services, and captive industrial fab sites. Each of those groups has different advantages and research interests. We will see where the ultimate breakthroughs end up coming from as the story unfolds toward realized quantum technology. That is where we are heading throughout 2026. Thank you for being here for the journey and I look forward to learning more about technology and digging into the frontier of what will be realized this year. Overall the state of the Lindahl Letter is strong and we should be able to continue moving forward on our weekly journey of exploration into technology. What’s next for the Lindahl Letter? New editions arrive every Friday. If you are still listening at this point and enjoyed this content, then please take a moment and share it with a friend. If you are new to the Lindahl Letter, then please consider subscribing. Make sure to stay curious, stay informed, and enjoy the week ahead! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.nelsx.com [https://www.nelsx.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

3 de ene de 2026 - 4 min
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2025 End of Year Recap

Thank you for tuning in to week 219 of the Lindahl Letter publication. A new edition arrives every Friday. This week the topic under consideration for the Lindahl Letter is, “2025 End of Year Recap.” Thank you for being here! The Lindahl Letter this week started out as a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays post and ended up just being an end of year recap. As the year comes to a close, I am taking a brief pause from publishing this week to spend time with family, recharge, and reflect on the remarkable conversations and ideas we have explored together throughout the year. If you are reading this one, then you certainly learned about AI/ML/AGI, robotics, and quantum computing this year. The Lindahl Letter will return to its regular schedule next year, and I am grateful for your continued readership, curiosity, and engagement. I wish you and yours a happy holiday season and a thoughtful, restorative start to the new year. My top 5 posts of 2025 included: What’s next for the Lindahl Letter? New editions arrive every Friday. If you are still listening at this point and enjoyed this content, then please take a moment and share it with a friend. If you are new to the Lindahl Letter, then please consider subscribing. Make sure to stay curious, stay informed, and enjoy the week ahead! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.nelsx.com [https://www.nelsx.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

27 de dic de 2025 - 1 min
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Nested learning and the illusion of depth

Thank you for tuning in to week 218 of the Lindahl Letter publication. A new edition arrives every Friday. This week the topic under consideration for the Lindahl Letter is, “Nested learning and the illusion of depth.” Just for fun with this nested learning paper we are evaluating today, I downloaded the 52 page PDF and uploaded it to my Google Drive to have Gemini create an audio overview of the paper. That is just a one button request these days. We have reached a point where we can easily listen to a paper recap with very little friction. It’s actually harder to get a complete reading of the PDF as an audio file. I had tried the Adobe Acrobat read aloud feature and I don’t really like the robotic output. Sometimes, I would rather listen to a paper than read it when I am trying to really think deeply about something. The 5 minutes of podcast audio Gemini spit out about the paper are embedded below. It’s interesting to say the least how quickly Gemini turned that paper into a short podcast. It’s entirely possible that my analysis might be less entertaining than the podcast Gemini created on the fly. You will be the judge of that one. This is a paper I actually printed out 2 pages per page using the double sided setting. That is how I used to read papers during graduate school. This paper had a few color elements that is something my graduate school papers never really had. They were all monochromatic. I had to put on my reading glasses and hold the paper a little closer than I used to with the 2 pages per page printing. I’ll have to remember to just print using single page spacing next time around. I really only print out papers I want to keep in my stack of stuff. This one certainly fits that criteria. Trying to make content that is accessible is one of the reasons that I have been recording audio for the Lindahl Letter. Sometimes listening to something is a great unlock. Other times due to complexity and the diagrams included you just have to read academic papers. I try to bring things forward without complex charts in a highly consumable way. My take on research notes is that they need to be generally understandable and communicate a clear take on whatever topic is being covered. The content has to be condensed into something that can be considered in 5-10 minutes. To that end I’m going to do my best to bring this paper on nested learning to life today. This paper matters, it really does, because the research presented undermines one of the core assumptions driving modern AI investment and the endless LLM building and training that has been occurring, namely that stacking more layers reliably produces qualitatively better intelligence [1]. The mantra to just keep scaling maybe will fade away. If many so-called deep models collapse into shallow equivalents during training, then reported gains attributed to architectural depth may instead be artifacts of data scale, regularization, or optimization heuristics rather than true representational progress. This has direct implications for benchmarking, since comparisons that reward parameter count or depth risk overstating advances that do not translate into more robust reasoning or generalization. It also affects hardware and infrastructure strategy, because enormous resources are being allocated to support depth that may not deliver proportional returns. At a deeper level, the result forces a reconsideration of what meaningful learning progress actually looks like, shifting attention from surface complexity toward mechanisms that introduce genuinely new inductive structure and adaptive behavior. Maybe the long term impact of this call out is likely to be gradual rather than abrupt, but it meaningfully shifts the intellectual ground beneath current AI narratives [1]. The paper in question provides a formal vocabulary for a concern many researchers have held intuitively, that architectural depth has become a proxy metric for progress rather than a principled design choice. Over time, this reframing may influence how serious research groups evaluate models, placing more weight on identifiably distinct learning mechanisms, training dynamics, and robustness properties instead of raw scale. It is unlikely to immediately change the minds of investors or vendors whose incentives favor larger systems, but it can shape academic norms, reviewer expectations, and eventually benchmark construction. Historically, results like this matter most not because they halt a paradigm, but because they constrain it, narrowing the space of credible claims and forcing future advances to justify themselves on grounds other than appearance and size. This argument intersects directly with my broader concerns about interpretability and generalization. I am still curious about creating a combiner model, but this might change the mechanics of how that might ultimately work. If performance gains arise primarily from optimization dynamics rather than architectural expressivity, then claims about learned representations should be treated with caution. Apparent abstraction may not correspond to stable semantic structure but to transient equilibria shaped by training order, learning rates, and implicit regularization. This aligns with growing skepticism about whether large models truly learn hierarchical concepts or merely approximate them through iterative adjustment [2]. The implications extend beyond theory. Nested learning reframes debates about model scaling, architectural novelty, and transfer learning. It suggests that progress may come less from ever deeper networks and more from better understanding and controlling learning dynamics. This has practical consequences for reproducibility, safety, and deployment, since nested optimization can introduce path dependence and sensitivity to training regimes that are difficult to observe or audit. In the broader context of the AI marketplace, this work reinforces a recurring theme. Fluency and performance do not necessarily imply understanding. As with recent neuroscience critiques of language models, nested learning highlights how impressive outputs can emerge from mechanisms that lack stable, interpretable internal structure [3]. That gap matters when systems are deployed in high stakes environments where reliability, robustness, and reasoning are essential. We will see how this plays out in 2026 and what new research will ultimately shift the landscape. Footnotes: [1] Behrouz, A., Razaviyayn, M., Zhong, P., & Mirrokni, V. “Nested learning: The illusion of deep learning architectures.” Advances in Neural Information Processing Systems 39 (2025). https://abehrouz.github.io/files/NL.pdf [https://abehrouz.github.io/files/NL.pdf] [2] Raghu, M., Poole, B., Kleinberg, J., Ganguli, S., & Dickstein, J. “On the expressive power of deep neural networks.” Proceedings of the 34th International Conference on Machine Learning (2017). https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.05336 [https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.05336] [3] Riley, B. “Large language mistake: Cutting edge research shows language is not the same as intelligence.” The Verge (2025). https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/827820/large-language-models-ai-intelligence-neuroscience-problems [https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/827820/large-language-models-ai-intelligence-neuroscience-problems] What’s next for the Lindahl Letter? New editions arrive every Friday. If you are still listening at this point and enjoyed this content, then please take a moment and share it with a friend. If you are new to the Lindahl Letter, then please consider subscribing. Make sure to stay curious, stay informed, and enjoy the week ahead! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.nelsx.com [https://www.nelsx.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

20 de dic de 2025 - 7 min
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The great 2025 LLM vibe shift

Thank you for tuning in to week 217 of the Lindahl Letter publication. A new edition arrives every Friday. This week the topic under consideration for the Lindahl Letter is, “The great 2025 LLM vibe shift.” Vibe shifts came and went. People are certainly adding the word vibe to all sorts of things as the initial meaning has ironically faded. Casey Newton in the industry standard setting Platformer newsletter wrote about a big silicon valley vibe shift in 2022 [1]. It was a big thing; until it wasn’t. The really big completely surreal LLM shift has happened toward the tail end of 2025. We went from extreme AI bubble talk to very clear, rational, and thoughtful perspectives on how LLMs won’t realize the promises that have been made. Keep in mind the market fears of an AI bubble are different from the understanding that LLMs might be the technology that ultimately wins. All of the spending in the marketplace and the academic argument may get reconciled at some point, but we have not seen that happen in 2025. The backward linkages of how potential technological progress regressed may not have been felt just yet, but the overall sentiment has shifted. The ship has indeed sailed. Let that sink in for a moment and think about just how big a shift in sentiment that really happens to be and how it just sort of happened. As OpenAI and Anthropic move toward inevitable IPO, that shift will certainly change things. Maybe the single best written explanation of this is from Benjamin Riley who wrote a piece for The Verge called, “Large language mistake: Cutting-edge research shows language is not the same as intelligence. The entire AI bubble is built on ignoring it” [2]. I owe a hat tip to Nilay Patel for recommending and helping surface that piece of writing. I was skeptical at first, but then realized it was a really interesting and well reasoned read. I’ll admit at the same time, I was also reading a 52 paper from the Google Research team, “Nested Learning: The Illusion of Deep Learning Architecture” around the same time which was interesting as a paired reading assignment [3]. More to come on that paper and what it means in a later post. I’m still digesting the deeper implications of that paper. Maybe to really sell the shift you could take a moment and listen to some of the recent words from OpenAI cofounder Ilya Sutskever. I’m still a little shocked about the casual way Ilaya described how we moved from research and the great AI winter, to the age of scaling, and finally back to the age of research again. The idea that scaling based on compute or size of corpse won’t win the LLM race is a very big shift and Ilya makes it pretty casually during this video. You will notice I have set the video to play about 1882 seconds into the conversation: Maybe a video with a really sharp looking classic linux Red Hat fedora in the background featuring a conversation between Nilay Patel and IBM CEO Arvind Krishna can help explain things. Don’t panic when you realize that the CEO of IBM very clearly argues with some back of the envelope math that all the data center investment has no real way to pay off in practical terms or an actual return on investment. Try not to flinch when it is described that within 3-5 years the same data centers could be built at a fraction of the current cost. Technology does just keep getting better. The argument makes sense. It is no less shocking based on the billions being spent. I set the video to start playing 502 seconds into the conversation. The argument that I probably prefer in the long run is how quantum computing is going to change the entire scaling and compute landscape [4]. The long-term argument that may end up mattering the most suggests that quantum computing will transform the economics of scale and ultimately reset expectations about what is computationally feasible. Former Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger recently framed quantum as the force likely to deflate the AI bubble by altering the fundamental relationship between compute and capability, a claim that is gaining analytical support across the research community. We may see it be an effective counter to the billions being spent on data centers for a late mover willing to make a prominent investment in the space or it could just end up being Alphabet who is highly invested in both TPU and quantum chips [5]. What’s next for the Lindahl Letter? New editions arrive every Friday. If you are still listening at this point and enjoyed this content, then please take a moment and share it with a friend. If you are new to the Lindahl Letter, then please consider subscribing. Make sure to stay curious, stay informed, and enjoy the week ahead! Footnotes: [1] Newton, C. (2022). The vibe shift in Silicon Valley. Platformer. https://www.platformer.news/the-vibe-shift-in-silicon-valley/ [https://www.platformer.news/the-vibe-shift-in-silicon-valley/] [2] Riley, B. (2025). Large language mistake: Cutting-edge research shows language is not the same as intelligence. The entire AI bubble is built on ignoring it. The Verge. https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/827820/large-language-models-ai-intelligence-neuroscience-problems [https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/827820/large-language-models-ai-intelligence-neuroscience-problems] [3] Behrouz, A., Razaviyayn, M., Zhong, P., & Mirrokni, V. (2025). Nested learning: The illusion of deep learning architectures. In The Thirty-ninth Annual Conference on Neural Information Processing Systems. https://abehrouz.github.io/files/NL.pdf [https://abehrouz.github.io/files/NL.pdf] [4] Shrivastava, H. (2025). Quantum computing will pop the AI bubble, claims ex-Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger. Wccftech. https://wccftech.com/quantum-computing-will-pop-the-ai-bubble-claims-ex-intel-ceo-pat-gelsinger/ [https://wccftech.com/quantum-computing-will-pop-the-ai-bubble-claims-ex-intel-ceo-pat-gelsinger/] [5] Yahoo Finance, “Alphabet CEO just said quantum computing could be close to a breakthrough,” https://finance.yahoo.com/news/alphabet-ceo-just-said-quantum-155229893.html [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/alphabet-ceo-just-said-quantum-155229893.html] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.nelsx.com [https://www.nelsx.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

13 de dic de 2025 - 5 min
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The 5 biggest unsolved problems in quantum computing

Thank you for tuning in to week 216 of the Lindahl Letter publication. A new edition arrives every Friday. This week the topic under consideration for the Lindahl Letter is, “The biggest unsolved problems in quantum computing.” The field of quantum computing has accelerated rapidly during the last decade, yet its most important breakthroughs remain incomplete. The core research challenges that stand between today’s prototypes and large scale, industrially relevant systems are now visible with unusual clarity. I think we are on the path to seeing this technology realized. These challenges are increasingly framed not as incremental milestones but as structural bottlenecks that shape the entire trajectory of the field. This week’s analysis focuses on the five most critical problems that must be solved for quantum computing to reach fault tolerant, economically meaningful operation. These gaps define where research investment, national strategy, and competitive advantage will be determined in the coming decade. 1. A fully fault tolerant logical qubit with logical error rates below threshold The first and most fundamental problem is the absence of a fully fault tolerant logical qubit. I know, I know, people are getting close, but this technology is not fully realized just yet. Theoretical thresholds for fault tolerance are well studied, and progress has been reported through surface codes, low density parity check codes, and recent advances in magic state distillation. Several groups have demonstrated logical qubits whose performance exceeds their underlying physical qubits, and some trapped-ion experiments now show better than break-even behavior under repeated rounds of error correction. However, no team has yet realized a logical qubit that maintains below-threshold logical error rates in a fully integrated setting that combines encoding, stabilizer measurement, real time decoding, and continuous correction across arbitrarily deep circuits. Experiments such as the University of Osaka’s zero level magic state distillation results and Quantinuum’s recent logical circuit demonstrations illustrate meaningful progress, yet a complete fault tolerant logical qubit build rolling off the assembly line has not been achieved [1]. This missing element prevents reliable execution of deep circuits and stands as the central research challenge of the field. I am also tracking a leaderboard of efforts aimed at increasing the number and stability of logical qubits as new systems emerge [2]. 2. A scalable and manufacturable quantum architecture that supports thousands of high fidelity qubits The second unsolved problem is the absence of a scalable, manufacturable quantum architecture capable of supporting thousands of high fidelity qubits. Superconducting platforms continue to face wiring congestion, cross talk, and fabrication variability across large wafers, which limits reproducibility at scale. Trapped-ion systems achieve some of the highest gate fidelities reported, but their physical footprint, control volume, and relatively slow gate speeds constrain system growth. Neutral atom arrays offer large qubit counts, yet they have not demonstrated uniform, high fidelity two qubit gates across arrays large enough to support fault tolerant codes. Photonic and spin qubits continue to advance but remain earlier in their development for universal, gate based architectures. Across all platforms, the transition from laboratory systems to repeatable, wafer scale manufacturing has not occurred. Most resource estimates indicate that tens of thousands of physical qubits will be required for practically useful, error corrected applications, and no architecture is yet positioned to deliver this scale with consistent fidelity. I am tracking universal gate based physical qubit leaders closely, and I expect to see significant shifts in 2026 as fabrication strategies evolve [3]. 3. Integrated cryogenic classical control systems capable of real time decoding at scale The third unsolved problem concerns the integration of classical control systems capable of operating efficiently at cryogenic temperatures. Quantum processors rely on classical electronics to generate precise control pulses, read measurement outcomes, and perform real time decoding. As devices grow, these classical requirements become a dominant engineering bottleneck. Current systems depend on extensive room temperature hardware and thousands of coaxial lines, an approach that is not viable for scaling beyond a few hundred qubits. Research into cryogenic CMOS, multiplexed readout architectures, and fast low noise routing has shown meaningful progress, and prototype decoders have demonstrated sub microsecond performance. However, the field still lacks a fully integrated classical to quantum control stack that can operate near the device, support large scale decoding throughput, and eliminate the wiring overhead required for million channel systems. Solving this challenge is as essential as improving qubit fidelity, because fault tolerant computation will require tightly coupled classical and quantum subsystems functioning in real time at cryogenic depths. 4. A modular, networked quantum architecture with reliable chip to chip entanglement The fourth major unsolved problem involves modularity and quantum networking. Large scale quantum computers will not be monolithic systems. They will require distributed architectures in which multiple chips or modules exchange entanglement to support error corrected computation across larger systems. Research groups have demonstrated chip to chip photonic links, heralded entanglement generation, and short range coupling between trapped-ion and superconducting devices, but these demonstrations remain small scale and experimental. No team has yet produced a modular architecture capable of sustaining reliable inter module entanglement rates, routing operations, and error corrected logical circuits across networked components. A practical quantum interconnect, whether photonic or microwave based, would redefine system design by enabling large logical qubit counts without relying on a single monolithic wafer. Developing these networked architectures is now seen as one of the highest value targets for national research programs, because modularity is likely the only viable path to systems with millions of physical qubits. 5. A verified quantum advantage tied to a real scientific or industrial workload The fifth unsolved problem is the absence of a widely accepted, independently verified quantum advantage tied to a real scientific or industrial workload. Quantum supremacy experiments have demonstrated that certain random circuit sampling tasks are exceptionally difficult for classical systems to simulate, but these tasks do not translate into chemistry, materials, optimization, or cryptography workloads. Several vendors have recently reported domain specific quantum advantages, including applications in quantum navigation and narrow optimization tasks, but these demonstrations have not yet achieved broad community validation or independent replication under strict verification and resource accounting. A robust demonstration of advantage requires a computation that is infeasible for classical systems within realistic time and energy constraints, produces an output that can be meaningfully verified, and operates using real hardware error rates rather than idealized gates. Achieving this milestone would mark a decisive shift in the strategic landscape of the field and would accelerate commercial investment into fault tolerant platforms. Together, these five problems outline the most important questions I’m tracking that are facing quantum computing today. This is based on my research interests. Please feel free to let me know if something else jumps out when you read this list. Each topic represents an opportunity for technical leadership, research investment, and industrial strategy. That does not mean my list is complete. It’s directionally accurate for late 2025, but things in the quantum computing space are changing rapidly. These elements called out also define the hurdles that stand between early laboratory demonstrations and the large-scale quantum platforms required for transformative scientific progress. What’s next for the Lindahl Letter? New editions arrive every Friday. If you are still listening at this point and enjoyed this content, then please take a moment and share it with a friend. If you are new to the Lindahl Letter, then please consider subscribing. Make sure to stay curious, stay informed, and enjoy the week ahead! Links I’m sharing this week! You may not have watched Linus Torvalds build a computer on your watch list for 2025, but I’m sharing that link anyway. I truly enjoyed watching this video. This video made me chuckle several times and was delightful. Footnotes: [1] Itogawa, T., Takada, Y., Hirano, Y., & Fujii, K. (2024). Even more efficient magic state distillation by zero-level distillation. arXiv preprint arXiv:2403.03991. http://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.03991 [http://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.03991] [2] Top quantum computers by logical qubit [3] Updating my top 10 quantum computer leaderboard This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.nelsx.com [https://www.nelsx.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

6 de dic de 2025 - 9 min
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