#16 – with Steve Chung, COO of Azuki, on why general entertainment is dead and fandom is the future
My guest in this episode is Steve Chung—former exec at Fox and CJ ENM, and now COO of Azuki, one of the most disruptive forces in next-gen anime and Web3.
I've been trying to get Steve on the podcast for almost two years, and it's well worth the wait.
In this conversation, we go beyond the buzzwords. Steve breaks down the bold moves Azuki is making to build what a next-gen media company could actually look like—blending storytelling, community, and new tools like AI and blockchain to reimagine what's possible in 2025 and beyond.
We talk about:
* Why Japan's anime industry is maxed out—and how AI might help tell more stories, not replace creators
* How Azuki went from being one of the biggest NFT collections in history to launching a their own anime anthologies, now airing across Southeast Asia and US cable
* What it really means to build fandom-first—and why Steve believes general entertainment is dead
* The wild story of how Steve pitched Fox a digital strategy deck...and walked out with a job offer
Towards the end, Steve gets personal—sharing career advice that stuck with me: why asking great questions is more valuable than having all the answers, and how a mindset shift from "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose" to "sometimes you win, sometimes you learn" changed the game.
Whether you're into anime, startups, Web3, or just want to hear from someone who's been at the intersection of East and West media for two decades, this one's for you.