The Pluralsight Podcast
Wayne Hoggett — prolific Pluralsight author of 40+ courses across cloud, Kubernetes, and AI — joins Josh Burkhead to talk about what changes when AI moves from a tool you reach for to something embedded in every part of how you work. Wayne shares a striking admission: despite a heavy cloud-engineering background, he hasn't written code by hand in nearly a year — and what that shift signals for the teams technology leaders are building today. We dig into how the engineering role is being redrawn around AI: why architecture, judgment, and business context are becoming the durable human skills, why cutting junior talent to offset AI spend quietly shuts down your future pipeline, and how leaders should rethink hiring and team design when everyone on the team can generate working code in minutes. Wayne makes the case for building automation-first, AI-first workflows — then deciding deliberately where humans still need to be in the loop. We also get practical on the harder questions: how to prove ROI on AI and L&D investment, how to surface and govern "Shadow AI" instead of banning it, and why self-deployed agentic AI raises the stakes on security, defense in depth, and how fast your team can patch critical systems. Whether you lead a technology org, own an L&D strategy, or are an engineer trying to stay valuable as AI absorbs more of the execution work, this conversation is a grounded look at where the work is actually heading. Topics covered: * Redesigning teams and hiring for an AI-first world — and why architecture and business context are the skills that last * The real cost of cutting junior talent to fund AI investment, and the talent-pipeline gap it creates * Proving ROI on AI and L&D initiatives by starting with low-hanging-fruit workflows * Governing "Shadow AI" — enabling the tools your people already use instead of blocking them * Securing self-deployed agentic AI: defense in depth, automated patching, and responding fast to new vulnerabilities Chapters: 00:40 Welcome & Guest Intro 01:15 Inside Wayne's World: Learning, Building, Teaching 03:58 Is AI a Natural Fit or a Forced One? 04:39 Don't Skip the Fundamentals: Building T-Shaped Skills 07:01 Linux, Windows, and France's Government Switch 08:31 "I Haven't Written Code in a Year" 10:33 The Moment AI Changed How Wayne Works 12:05 Hiring Entry-Level Talent for Business Awareness 13:37 Fewer Developers? Where the Headcount Logic Breaks Down 14:44 Building Automation-First, AI-First Teams 15:25 What an "AI-First View" Actually Looks Like 16:17 When AI Code Creates More Work Than It Saves 18:38 Rethinking Cloud Expertise on Your Team 20:00 Why Self-Deployed Agentic AI Worries Wayne 21:23 Staying Valuable as an Engineer: Architecture & Patterns 22:32 The Return of the Business Analyst Mindset 25:35 How AI Is Reshaping Cloud Infrastructure Itself 27:19 Shadow IT to Shadow AI: Enable, Don't Block 28:36 Reliability, Determinism, and New Job Titles 32:32 Proving ROI: Start with Low-Hanging Fruit 34:09 Security & the Mythos Headlines: Defense in Depth 36:42 Giving Teams a Safe Sandbox to Experiment 37:59 Closing Thoughts Want more insights on AI, security, and cloud? Subscribe to our newsletters: https://plrsg.ht/3MZ78ya [https://plrsg.ht/3MZ78ya] Follow Pluralsight on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pluralsight/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/pluralsight/] Wayne Hoggett on Pluralsight - https://www.pluralsight.com/authors/wayne-hoggett [https://www.pluralsight.com/authors/wayne-hoggett] Connect with Wayne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/waynehoggett/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/waynehoggett/] Questions or comments? podcast@pluralsight.com www.pluralsight.com [http://www.pluralsight.com/]
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